Redfall 60 FPS Performance Mode to Release Post Launch - News
by William D'Angelo , posted on 12 April 2023 / 5,109 Views
Publisher Bethesda Softworks and developer Arkane Studios Austin via Twitter announced the open-world FPS, Redfall, will only launch with Quality mode, while the 60 frames per second Performance mode will be added in a game update at "a later date."
The Quality mode on the Xbox Series X will run at 4K resolution and 30 frames per second, while on the Xbox Series S it will run at 1440p resolution at 30 frames per second.
Redfall is launching on Xbox consoles with Quality mode only:
— Redfall (@playRedfall) April 12, 2023
Xbox Series X: 4K 30 FPS
Xbox Series S: 1440p 30 FPS
60 FPS Performance mode will be added via game update at a later date. pic.twitter.com/NLaGsMbwdW
Redfall at launch will require a persistent online connection even when playing in single player. However, the developer is "looking into" removing the always online requirement, according to Game Director Harvey Smith.
Redfall will launch for the Xbox Series X|S, PC, and Xbox Game Pass on May 2.
A life-long and avid gamer, William D'Angelo was first introduced to VGChartz in 2007. After years of supporting the site, he was brought on in 2010 as a junior analyst, working his way up to lead analyst in 2012 and taking over the hardware estimates in 2017. He has expanded his involvement in the gaming community by producing content on his own YouTube channel and Twitch channel. You can contact the author on Twitter @TrunksWD.
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Talk about every marketing and PR blunder in the book for this game since it was announced xD
Hands-on first impressions have been extremely positive, which is great because the game itself is still shaping up to be really good, but still so many shots in the foot! Be better to delay it to Summer. July or August would be better.
Honestly at this point they just need to delay it. They already said they are working on adding an offline play option post-release, and now we learn that 60 fps support is coming after release as well. They have just made too many marketing blunders at this point to release this game into such a busy gaming period (only about a week and a half after Dead Island 2, only 4 days after Jedi Survivor, and only about a week before Zelda). At this point they would be much better off delaying until like July or early August.
this game is being sent out to die, which is impressive for a game pass game.
Just delay it. It shouldn't take that long to get it in the game anyways.
Ouch, not a good look.
Reminds me of Halo infinite launch. They were missing Forge and Co-op.
Did those ever get added?
Halo Infinite is in a good place now.
Unironically yes, but the damage after launch has already been done and nothing will ever chnage that in the public eye that doesn't play the game.
In its current state, yeah. The only thing I think could actually bring it back is the battle royal being made by Certain Affinity. If it's good of course.
That's a pass for me.
Seem like Microsoft really as a problem with lower resolution; they would rather have unstable FPS than lower resolution. But, I do respect that it's Arkane choice to set their default setting and they went with 4K - 30 FPS. To me this game was always a gamepass game and it as such a low barrier of entry that I'm more interest in if this game actually worth my time and will I enjoy it.
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Bullshit, quality mode my @#$#&
They just can't make the game run at 60fps on Xbox, now they coming with excuses.
Give the team more time, lauch this game at Halloween time! Don't make a FPS at 30 frames, we are in 2023 damn! Get your shit together Xbox.
60fps is not needed with every game.. As long as the frames are locked it's fine
True, but this is a online FPS in 2023. 60 frames is a must, the bare minimum!
It's not online competitive like cod, battefield, halo or even games like fortnight. Sure it will smoother but for now its acceptable
You make a good point, It's cooperative FPS and It can indeed be "acceptable", but...
I still think 60 frames is the minimum for a 2023 FPS, 30 frames is a big let down.
Not without huge sacrifice to visuals. Most people would rather have next gen visuals, ai and so on then 60fps.
I have yet to see Ai that acts as smart as the AI in FEAR, and even then that wasn't actual proper Ai dictating each individual's movement and attack patterns.
The majority of Ai in games these days still act on trigger points and combat states, not "I think for myself therefore I am".
When I think of "next gen" AI, I think of being able to interact with it and ask it questions, not do what a dev told it to do, because that's not next gen at all, that's just telling an AI to be bad or good, which has been the same state of Ai for decades now.
hell I don't even regard them as AI, they are still acting like bots.
If you want an actual AI, check Google's previous one called Deepmind, that AI was actually pitted against high level Starcraft championship players, and it learned from each fight and utterly decimated all the human players.
To me that's good AI, that's what I want in games, I want a smart, self thinking self aware AI, not Skynet levels, but enough to actually be believable in a game, not a wall hugging AI that shouts one liners to you and constantly abuses things a player cannot fully do.
Yeah but it isn't a competitive PvP, that's were 60 fps is crucial. For PvE, it sucks not to have it, but it's not that of a deal breaker either.
Same as i said to dane007, the cooperative nature makes 30 frames more acceptable. You guys have a point.
Yeah we replied pretty much at same time XD.
That's said I'm not that sensitive to fps with first person titles as long as they are lock, will take lock 30 over unstable 60 anytime.
My other half however get motion sickness with game in first person at 30 fps especially if she's not the one playing. So there's that.
There is more to appreciate in 60fps though, especially during fast intense moments, with a lot of onscreen action. Once you go 60fps, it's hard to switxh back.
30FPS is Poopoo!
I really don't think this is that big of a deal. Obviously it would be much better to launch with the performance mode. But outside of the tiny segment of gamers that hang out in forums like this one, I doubt that anybody will even notice that it's not there.
How do they miss out on launching a 60fps mode? Come on Arkan, you are better than this. Delay the game and release it when its ready.
Lol wut
People should just wait for the reviews instead of complaining; Arkane made the choice to go with 4k 30fps; its their game and they rather locked 30 fps then offer lower resolution for better fps. I dont really see much controversy if they think its the right option and made the official announcement. I just hope the game is fun to play.
I wouldnt be surprised it is series S holding back series X.
This has nothing to do with the Series S
I mean, for how much they boast about the series X's power, what's the excuse? Honest queston. Huge game with a large team behind it putting out to the strongest console on the market, ever, and still can't get 60 FPS? Something's up. Not saying it's absolutely the Series S but that does seem to be the most likely culprit.
There is no excuse. Not for this shit.
There is no parity requirement for graphical features like FPS, Res, raytracing, etc. Several titles have released a performance mode on Series X and not on Series S. If 60FPS was ready on the Series X for Redfall, there is no good reason not to have it at launch and then patch it on Series S later, but there is clearly more going on. Redfall can't seem to get out of its own way when it comes to PR blunders. Chances are this game is being pushed out the door before it's ready, and it makes it more evident since they don't even have a performance mode ready.
There's many different scenario that may explain this but the Series S is actually very unlikely. if the Series S was the culprit there's no reasons the series X could not have a ~1800P@60. The fact that both are limited to 30fps at their respective intended resolutions (4k and 1440p respectively) and don't offer a lower res higher fps option (aka performance mode), actually point to a CPU bottleneck were graphics setting only have limited impact. Both Series S and X CPU a virtually the same (only 8% diff).
Other than that we have to few data to judge the cause. The next bit of clue will have is how lock the 30fps is/is not upon release.
What a joke. Game got a big delay and they still can’t hit 60 frames a second at launch.
Game looks bad because Arkane have never ever in their life done good combat. & from the IGN Video we see cultists blaming the player instead of the bad gameplay.
I have Game Pass, but I won’t be touching this for months. And have 0 excitement.
It was the player though. There is other gameplay of Redfall out there that looked much better than that IGN First gameplay, and the previews from the preview event were like 90% positive. The IGN guy just wasn't good at shooters. At various points in the video he ran away from the enemy when he didn't need to (even going as far as to pick a lock while his teammates were downed), shot a full clip at a enemy moving in a straight line and only landed 1 shot from the whole clip, unloaded a full clip into enemies leaving them with one or two bullets left to kill them but then left them alive, threw his translocator/teleporter for no reason and then didn't use it, missed his lightning spear throws multiple times, etc. They clearly picked a non-shooter player from their review team for a paid promotional video for a shooter game, not cool.
And saying that Arkane is bad at combat just isn't accurate, many people enjoyed the combat in Deathloop, and Dishonored 1 and 2. All 3 of those games even won multiple best action game and/or best action-adventure game awards, while being nominated for many more in those categories.
After raytrace mode in halo
What a disaster. They cancelled the PS5 version for this? Yall can have it, lmao.
MS does more damage to XB brand than Sony does, that's for sure.
No... not really :)
The first one didn't drop below 27, why the second one drop this low ?
Oh really? So it's just me when I'm stuttering like I'm moving in slow motion in Korok Forest to this day?
EDIT: Out of curiosity, I just loaded up the game, and yeah, framerate still drops in the teens.
Classic "yeah but what about Korok forest"
One specific place in the whole huge open world
I was just giving the most notable example. Not just my only. This isn't an argument worth having dude lol.
It's the only example tho. The game had a patch 1 month after launched, no dips after that, beside the Korok forest
Oh I remember. I've put over 200 hours into Breath of the Wild. That patch did help some, but once action picked up, didn't matter where you were, that framerate tanked.
Oddly enoguh, never had this experience.
AND this is all irrelevant, as you assume ToK will have drops in the teens just to justify a 12 tflops machine can't run its exclusive game at 60 at launch. Classic "whatabouttheothers" which in this case is purely hypotetical
Props to your Switch then!
I'll get back to you here in a few weeks when we find out what performance in ToK is like :) and tbf, it's a safe assumption. The Switch is over 6 years old and was outdated when it launched. And with ToK being an engine and asset flip, you'd be forgiven for believing it'll have the same issues as BotW.
But concerning the topic, yeah, Arkane is fucking up here.
Yeah like we never saw games performing better and be better looking at the end of the console's life rather than the launch day.
You played the game on PC emulator? Cause BoTW on Switch/WiiU have FPS issues, for sure, and It can hit way bellow 27 FPS!!
I played it 3 times full run on Switch, no dips "way bellow 27 fps*
I realy don't know what to say here.
I mean, you saying that the game "didn't drop below 27" is like someone telling me that "red" isn't "red", but actualy "blue".
Sorry, i don't want to be disrespectful, but It's a fact. BoTW, on Switch, hits way below 27 FPS, It's a fact.
I' playing it right now and it drops WAY Below for sure. Just travel to the forest and I think the FPS is probably close to 10 there. And there are many many places like that.
But like he said, this does not make it a bad game at all (this is a masterpiece at so many levels) so yah coming out with a 30 FPS game with the patch a bit later for 60 FPS is not a "disaster" at all... This is the a bit dramatic.
Normaly i would agree with you, but this game is a FPS! Imho, in 2023 60 frames is a minimum for FPS, 30 frames at lauch can indeed hurt this game badly.
All the framerate footages shows a maximum dip to 20
So yeah, but no, and "I'M PLAYING IT RIGHT NOW" doesn't justify saying nonsense
Lol calm down... I'm playing it right now, simple as that. I restarted it in Master mode a few days ago cause I want to finish it before the new one comes out. And I can see the frame drops pretty clearly in my face; maybe it is 10 maybe it is 20, does not matter, it drops hard.
If you think this is a console war thing where I have to prove anything, you are wrong, I don't care what you believe. And as I said, it does not make the game bad, not at all.
I mean fine, if you want to believe it does not drop, good for you bud. BTW before it was below 27 FPS, now you say 20 FPS... I mean, make up your mind.
I said 27 then I checked 5 footages online, and corrected to 20 (for the korok's forest). I would've love to go with the "I'm playing it right now" route but I am not, and I don't know how to count FPS, so I let the pros show le what the actual numbers are
In case you didn't know, there can be variation in playback even on a closed console. That is why different youtube channels that do framerate tests get very different results on the same game, even in the exact same area. A person's unit could have some slight defects, which is where the term "playing the silicon lottery" comes from. Some consoles will slightly downclock the processor if they start to overheat, so if a person has a dustier room and don't clean their system often, or the just live somewhere hot, they may experience lower framerates than someone else.
EDIT: Meh, I'm done. If BOTW was notorious to have bad performance, it would've been known for years now.
All I'm saying is that just because digital foundry, VG Tech, etc. might not have seen any drops into the teens while testing, doesn't mean that it's impossible for the game to drop into the teens for an average joe on their unit.
Their ultimate point though wasn't about nitpicking over Zelda framerates, it was that many can enjoy games with lackluster performance, many different Switch games prove that. Different people have different tolerances for these things, and if their hype level for a game exceeds their tolerance level they may still have a good time. I remember a time when pretty much none of us noticed framerate issues, I remember playing KOTOR 1 and 2 on the OG Xbox as a young teen and noticing nothing at all wrong with them. Going back and looking at framerate tests of them on youtube when they got added to Xbox One BC, I saw that they had massive framerate issues, especially KOTOR 2. But I never noticed that when playing them initially. Some still don't notice these framerate issues, even in an age of digital foundry et all testing them.
The same can happen with bugs, different people have different tolerances for those. That is why so many people were able to enjoy messy Bethesda games like Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas on release. These were games with lackluster graphics and severe day one bugs, yet many loved them and chose them as their Game of the Year those 2 years.
The question is if people are hyped enough for Redfall for their hype to exceed their tolerance for low framerates. That we won't know until launch week. I personally hope that Xbox will see the backlash and go ahead and delay it, but they may decide to go forward with a 30 fps only launch, especially if the 60 fps mode will only take a few weeks post-launch to finish.
It has been notorious for years now xD either way, Tears of the Kingdom will forever be at max, 30fps. Redfall, also being an open world game is going to get a 60fps patch. It won't be stuck at 30fps forever.
And yet it doesn't matter though. What matters is how good the games are. And that was my initial point that you skimmed over. Content is king. Hands on impressions of Redfall have been extremely positive. There's no way Tears of the Kingdom is going to be anything short of a top tier GOTY contender regardless if the game has technical issues. I skimmed over the framerate drops of BotW because I was having that much fun with it. So far, Redfall as a game, is shaping up to be REALLY good, and that's what will ultimately matter in most gamers eyes.
I'm surprised that everybody here all of a sudden is playing BOTW right now in the middle of a week day. Coincidences are fascinating
Except you are making this up. Only 2 people said that; you seem to be generalizing a lot of things :)
I said I'm playing it (and I am and just reply to explain you why) and gtoeunit91 told you he just started it to check the FPS. Why is that "fascinating". Dude just relax.
I always find it fascinating when stars allign
okay :)
Gtotheunit91 is not wrong. There's quite a bit of Fps issue in breath of wild.. I have noticed with my playthrough, that handheld part has less Fps issue then it being docked. That's just my experience
I agree with you and I gave you an upvote but there are other factors to consider than just the hard framerates. For one, the Switch is six and a half year old hardware. Second, the switch is a portable system as well. Third, Breath of the Wild is a massive open world game. Fourth, the Switch is not releasing on 'the most powerful console yet'.
While yes, Zelda won't get the same fluid motion you'll get on Xbox or Playstation, the circumstances surrounding Zelda are vastly different. You're oversimplifying the issue down to a ratio of dollars to frames and games truly do encompass so much more than that.
Those are fair points! Ultimately what my point was, will the games be good? Only time will tell on that, but content is king. BotW for years now has been considered by many to one of the greatest games of all-time, aside from the technical issues it suffered, and I have no reason to doubt ToK will be a worth follow up.
In Redfall's case, the hands-on impressions of the game have been overwhelmingly positive. Many saying it's some of Arkane's best work and some going so far to say it could potentially be a GOTY contender, which I personally doubt lol, but ultimately, is the game good will be the big question. Because if it's terrible in the end, then no 60fps patch is going to fix that lol
Okay now I want to do another run, thanks, currently downloading
