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Stop Supporting Broken Games

by VGChartz Staff, posted on 08 November 2010 / 21,531 Views

Fallout: New Vegas released in North America on October 19. That was not very long ago.

On November 5 an entry on Bethesda Blog reported that they were giving a “heads-up” to users regarding some of the minor problems New Vegas users are having.

Minor problems like not being able to load a saved game for instance, you know, nothing too drastic.

Good for us that Bethesda is also being thoughtful enough to look into fixing “a number of other issues” as well. Console users experiencing save issues will enjoy what Bethesda calls a “comprehensive patch” in the coming weeks.

Weeks? Really, weeks? Let me check the text of the blog entry again…

Yes, it in fact says weeks. After purchasing a game that may not let you save your progress, Bethesda promises to assuage your problems in just a few weeks. PC users have it great, getting an “incremental patch” early next week (which means early this week).

They report that the patches are in final testing, so I trust that the crack team of QA testers and other staffers at Bethesda will do their job well. It’s not like they miss things like critical graphics flaws in the intro of the game.

It’s things like this that make me categorically accept allegations that Bethesda forced unfavorable reviews of New Vegas to be taken down. It’s no wonder considering how they just care about selling the game during the critical first week, leaving purchasers in the lurch for weeks until they decide to fix it.

These flaws are inherent to a broken game engine that has had crippling errors since Oblivion. Remember that fun bug in Shivering Isles that would kick in after 50 hours of gameplay and cause the game to be completely unplayable? Ah, the memories.

Of course Fallout 3 had the same issues as well. I wrote about my experiences in experiencing a game-breaking glitch while exploring the 'Mothership Zeta' DLC in my old blog on The South Bend Tribune.

Bethesda continues to use this engine because people have no problem purchasing their games over and over again. USA Today reports that New Vegas has shipped over five million copies, generating over $300 million in revenue since release.

Gamers need to stop supporting games that are not released properly for sale in the marketplace. Just as you should not support a series of movies that release with severe video artifacts in every release, you should not support games with broken animations and an infrastructure that does not support intended usage.

But just because gamers may be overly eager to be shoveled games that will only be finalized weeks or months after release does not exonerate game developers and publishers from the fact they are ones releasing these games. You are doing a disservice to your industry and insulting the good work of your colleagues. You are exercising the worst parts of big-studio game production - develop, develop, develop and deal with the problems with patches after it goes gold.

As a gamer you should expect a completed game when you purchase it. A final, working product is not something to be created with patching. There is no excuse for this pattern of disrespect to gamers.

Here's an analogy. As a reader of this article, you expect several things: to be able to read it, to find the sources I provide to be functional, and an argument that is well-reasoned, even if you do not find it agreeable. Here's what I should not do as a writer to accomplish those three goals: have no respect for syntax or language rules, give you broken links or improperly linked media, and give readers a poor argument and belittle them for not accepting it.

Maybe I'll do all of these things, but to be kind to you gentle readers I'll give you a heads-up and plan to fix my broken and unreadable article in a few weeks. Just hold tight and you'll get the experience you expected upon first visiting the site. Oh, and keep coming back.

If games are so complex as to take much longer than older games to test effectively, then by all means, take the time to test them effectively. As gamers we need to be respectful of deadlines and understand that sometimes we have to wait for an experience to be delivered properly. Developers need to respect their audience and not release broken software because they know they can get away with it. Taking advantage of complacency is no different than taking advantage of active dissent.

I realize that Bethesda is not the sole perpetrator of these kinds of acts. But Bethesda also shows a repeated history of abuse with no plans as far as I can tell to change the course of their development process. They stand as a testament to the broken game release -> patch -> repatch cycle.

Stop releasing broken games. Stop giving quality reviews to broken games. Stop supporting broken games.

Disclaimer: This article is the work of one writer, and does not necessarily reflect the views of gamrFeed or VGChartz.


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96 Comments

DixieFlatline_01 (on 27 May 2011)

I came to this page after frustratedly searching for 'broken game release'. That frustration comes from the broken (PC) release of another Bethesda title, 'Brink'. It is a known phenomenon that publishers rush developers to release unfinished games, but with Brink experiencing declining server populations, and a lot of negative user feedback for all of its (often crippling) bugs, it seems that surely the overall financial impact on what could have been an even bigger success would be cause for Bethesda to reevaluate their policy on rushing titles to release. Hopefully gamers become sick of getting the short end of the stick, and become more discriminating in their purchases. Like the OP mentions, however, we will need the help of a more skeptical review media to know what is worth buying and what is worth sending a message to the publishers by voting with our wallets!


vlad321 (on 12 November 2010)

Back in the day buggy PC games got hammer, HAMMERED into oblivion, whether they were good or not. Then the current generation hit and all of gaming went to crap....


Kratos_36 (on 12 November 2010)

Well , more than 7 million people have just bought a game that hasn't been finished. So we have a long way to go.


Miss piggy (on 12 November 2010)

It's not a problem of testing haste ,too many bugs and too major ones.It's deeper,it's a problem of development : they created the game to work on a very specific configuration (god knows which) to minimize their efforts (=costs),the rest it's left aside.It's like the sites which don't work but with IE ,or the games which need some specific graphic cards or processors or OS package version. And I remember, if need, that Windows it's the most patched thing ever seen ...


Maelstrome (on 10 November 2010)

ive been incredibly lucky with new vegas. im running it in high settings with no issues on a pc that bethesda says shouldnt be able to run it. im using a 5-6 year old single core processor and im just fine. ive watched friends play on the consoles and on better pcs than mine and they get frequent glitches and freezes.


Freyt (on 10 November 2010)

Oh mighty video game industry, look how you've fallen...


AnthonyW86 (on 10 November 2010)

Some of those bugs do crack me up though. :P Especially the one with the head upside down.


MARCUSDJACKSON (on 10 November 2010)

Vetteman94: the nerve of them to blame the consumer for the problems with the game, thats why i'll never buy it or anything from them. i'm going to wait a while before i buy COD Black ops. besides i never bought a COD game anyway or fall out for that matter?


arcelonious (on 10 November 2010)

I think the most frustrating technical issues with Fallout: New Vegas is the frequent staggering of framerate and game freezes (at least on the PS3 version). Often while you're traveling the framerate will stutter or stagger, and sometimes you'll enter into a particular area and the framerate will suddenly drop or freeze, forcing you to reboot the PS3. A couple of bugs involving quests, companions, combat, and so on are to be expected with a game the size of Fallout: New Vegas, but game freezes are simply unacceptable. It's a shame really, because at its core Fallout: New Vegas is a good game, but technical issues like occasional to frequent game freezing is enough to ruin the experience of some gamers.


Vetteman94 (on 10 November 2010)

@Killiana1a To say that the fans are even partially to blame for the way Fallout New Vegas turned out is ridiculous. And your basball analogy is wrong. Asking a Fallout Fan to not support a broken game like Fallout New Vegas is like asking a Yankees fan to stop going to watch a Yankee team that is falling apart and cant win a game and management refuses to do anything about it. And to answer your other question. No a game should not be reviewed again after it is patched, its the developers job to release a finished product not to release a half assed product and say they will fix it later. You wouldnt buy a car without it being painted would you? Or a house without drywall?


Killiana1a (on 10 November 2010)

@reidlosdog, I had the same thing happen to me yesterday after restoring the power at Helios One. I went out the back door to where the solar panels are and she showed up with a pack and was hostile. I avoided this by reloading and going out the front door. I surmise it has something to do with killing the NCR guard dogs near the east terminal in Helios One, which should be patched out by the developers because those NCR guard dogs are not Old Lady Gibson's guard dogs.


Killiana1a (on 10 November 2010)

Asking a Fallout fan like me not to support a Fallout game is like asking a NY Yankees fan to wear a Boston Red Sox baseball cap. I have experienced a lot of game-breaking bugs in the game from the corrupted saves preceded by the black screen of death, ED-E not moving after fast travel after you complete his quest, Veronica disappearing on me, enemies stuck in walls and cliffs, game freezes in VATS, random game freezes while exploring, longer loading times due to memory leaks, and on. Yet, I still love this game. I think there are many to blame: 1. Fans wanting the game released on time 2. Developers for not doing the hard, dirty work of properly coding the game 3. Publishers for not diversifying their profile in order to make sure their quarterly bottom line does not rest upon the release of a single game. 4. Microsoft for giving the Developers an excuse to be lazy and patch out problems via Xbox Live Personally, I have never judged the quality of a game based on the bugs and glitches. I bought Far Cry 2 a week after it's release and it was plagued by corrupted saves, yet Gamespot and IGN did not take this into account and gave it scores of 8.5 and 9.0. This has been a problem the entire generation. Why are we so aware of it now? Furthermore, if it is a really good game with the shiniest color beneath the lack of polish, then should the reviewers be responsible and re-review the game once all the bugs and glitches are patched out? Did you hold Modern Warfare 2's multi-player to the same standard you hold Fallout: New Vegas? If I remember anything from Modern Warfare 2, I remember that it had no beta and there were days where entire servers were hacked allowing infinite ammo, infinite noob tubes, super speed and on.


reidlosdog (on 10 November 2010)

Really, the game is pretty good. I just don't understand one part of it. At Helios 1, the lady from the junk yard appears in front of a door whenever I open it. Everyonce in a while, it also brings some enemies (dogs, radscorpion). Let me mind you, this is in NCR territory. When you open up a door (every time), it shouldn't introduce a new enemy from the slot machine. I know this is bad on the developer, but It's funny. And every once in a while, everything I just said happens, but it's invisible. Not like you have a stealth boy invisible, but like not there. But the thing is, you can still feel it, or move into the object that come with every.


Alby_da_Wolf (on 10 November 2010)

I didn't watch FO :New Vegas intro yet, now I did: THEY MUST NOT FIX THAT BUG, IT ROCKS!!! :-D


Miguel_Zorro (on 09 November 2010)

I will not buy New Vegas until it is fixed - which, based on my experience with Fallout 3, will be pretty much never. Bethesda does a lot of neat things, but their games are incredibly sloppy.


yo_john117 (on 09 November 2010)

But its so hard to turn down a game thats so good.


Vetteman94 (on 09 November 2010)

@roland32 Well I guess I would just consider you lucky then. The amount of problems I have had is ridiculous. TO having entire chests of items dissappear, having a very important main quest item completely dissappear from the game making the main quest no longer finishable, system lockups about every 2 hours, important quest people randomly dissappearing, the inability to recruit someone despite not having any followers. And thats just what I care to name. @Turk45 The reason I would extend the blame to Bethesda for this, is because they put the OK on it to publish a incomplete game.


Turk45 (on 09 November 2010)

Why is it that Bethesda is being blamed for a game they merely published, this game was made by Obsidian. I assume it was Obsidian job to test the thing as well.


VBI (on 09 November 2010)

I agree with the sentiment, but I've had next to no bugs with Oblivion, or the add ons, or either of the Fallout games, except for some very minor graphical glitches. I guess I'm just lucky.


binary solo (on 09 November 2010)

Such is the downside of having the ability to send game patches over the interwebz to users. By the time this generation ends >50% of gamers console hard drives will be taken up with game patches that fixed bugs wehich should never have made it onto the disc version of a game. with critical bugs I reckon studios should re-ship fixed up games on disc and allow anyone with proof of purchase to go to the retailer they bought the game from and do a straight swap. For minor bugs/glitches that don't break a game make the update optional, if you're happy to live with the bugs you don't need to use up another Gig of space on your HDD.


Punch420 (on 09 November 2010)

K this game is awsome but you think from all the bugs in fallout 3 they would at least try and cut back all the bugs. Parts of the map in the high mountains just cuts off and you fall forever, characters glich out and end up on the other side of the map during quests, constant 10 hour loading screens, inf exp and cap glitches, quests constantly buggin out to the point where you just fail everything. I realize the game is large but they are using the same flawed engine they where using before but now it seems worse. Right now i have over 30 backup saves just becuase im scared to find out what bug comes next then i gotta reload it an hour or two back. This is not how a game should ever be i will always support the games overall idea but i am very dissapointed with how they released "New Vegas". It is almost more work to get the game to do what its suppost to then being able to enjoy the game.


WiiBox3 (on 09 November 2010)

I agree that the current state of the Game Industry sucks. Releasing big budget games riddled with bugs. We can forgive the small developers because they have little cash, but it is almost unacceptable from the big boys. Even though I would like to vote with my wallet, if I did, I wouldn't get to play a lot of the games that interest me. Most of my favorite games of the last couple years have been riddled with bugs, though I do agree that Bethesda is the worst offender. But how could I pass on: Mass Effect 2 (not near as bad as the first), Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed II, Dragon Age Origins, Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, Darksiders, and Metro 2033. And these are just some of my favorites from the last year.


d21lewis (on 09 November 2010)

I've watched that video three times and I can't find anything wrong with it.


tripleb2k (on 09 November 2010)

I agree developers need to put more time into a game to make sure it works. They could have easily delayed the game for a few weeks to make sure the game was working properly. However they're a business, and they're in it for THE MONEY!!! I do want a near perfect experience from every game I play but I know that's not going to happen. Bugs have been in games forever, whether they're game breaking bugs or funny ones. Be thankful for the internet and updates. At least some companies work hard after the game is released to patch their mistakes unlike some companies (I'm looking at EA Montreal, Volition Inc., Realtime Worlds, 2k Marin, etc, etc).


Erik (on 09 November 2010)

On a serious note, the fallout series does a lot of experimental things, and it does a LOT of things. You can go muck around for hours in the intricated branching possibilities, and of course there are going to be tons of bugs in that (Fallout 3/Vegas are infamous for quest bugs). The graphical/physics glitches like those seen here are also fairly common, but I've never seen one as bad as this video. I guess I would rather have my game come out now and be buggy until it is patched than have it come out a year later with the bugs gone.


roland32 (on 09 November 2010)

Well Vetteman94 I think the point most of the "defenders" are making is that the game isn't broken we have played it for long periods of time and had limited trouble with it. Maybe just maybe I am not brainwashed and simply have a different opinion.


Vetteman94 (on 09 November 2010)

I ant believe how many people on here are defending a broken game and a publisher who always does this shit. It would be one thing if they were minor bugs. But not the gamebreaking bugs that are in this game. Such a shame how brainwashed you people are.


edrigo (on 09 November 2010)

looking at these comments is the reason i get annoyed when people think that japanese games are poor quality western devs get away with murder and they keep churning out games at a quick rate i would be horrified buying a game for full retail and that happened. Clearly some people just don't care but thats preference i suppose


viewtiful_jon (on 09 November 2010)

I didnt enjoy Fallout 3 so didnt buy this game, but I dont think I had any bugs in the 7 hours I played of that. Best reason not to support them is due to the games just sucking.


Alby_da_Wolf (on 09 November 2010)

I agree with the article, but I'm almost immune from the problem, I almost always buy games when they become cheap (possibly in editions including the best expansions), so by then they are adequately patched.


Me (on 09 November 2010)

RenderMonk - I'm not a 11 year old - i'm actually 36 and never bought MW2 so to say i defend all FPS is purely nonsense. I did buy Dragon Age though for the PS3 and this game crashed about 90% of the way through and i had to wait for a patch - i still defended that game though. If it comes down to playing dull, well polished linear games or RPG / RPG based games with bugs but hundreds of hours of gameplay and so much replayability then i'll always be defending these types of game to be honest.


Erik (on 09 November 2010)

"They just care about selling the game during the critical first week... leaving purchasers in the lurch for weeks until they decide to fix it." 5 points if you can spot the contradiction.


bad22 (on 09 November 2010)

Instead of broken games(which are fixed later) every gamer would stop supporting COD MW dlc which are known as MW2,COD BO and those overpriced maps and Ofcourse Shitty Motion controls


Der.Archivar (on 09 November 2010)

@RenderMonk I’m not defending the work of the QA team and the beth producer Jason Bergman, I criticize and discuss their work on the bethforum since I bought an played F:NV. But this prominent intro glitch had nothing to do with QA team, reread my post. I play games since 86, when it comes around RPG or more in detail CRPG there is a lot of fuzzy opinions about them what they should be and what not. Would be interested what your definition of a CRPG and why it contradicts when it's first person.


BlkPaladin (on 09 November 2010)

IGN just recently had an article on somethings that are dead in gaming and that gamers should get over it. One was the Nintendo Seal of quality, in the article they said this was because we should expect to get a quality game today. But sadly this isn't the case. Now more than ever we need something like that to assure gamers what they are buying is a game with as few game stopping bugs in them as possible.


roland32 (on 09 November 2010)

Come on RenderMonk I am an RPG fanboy. Bugs are a feature of these games :) but that tends to happen when there is 200+ hours of content in the game. I'll vote with my wallet anyway if they release another Fallout game next month I'm buying


Hynad (on 09 November 2010)

Poeple are giving crap to Polyphony, Square-Enix and many others for taking forever to release their flagship titles, and for going through delays. It's true that it can be annoying to eagerly wait for the scheduled release date of a product, only to learn a few weeks before that date that the product is finally delayed in order to fix some last minute issues. But in the end, these developers show indeed a lot more respect for their products and of course their fans than the likes of Bethesda, and we can appreciate the effort in what is often a bug/glitch free experience. I totally agree with this article. As far as I'm concerned, I got Fallout 3 when it got released, enjoyed some of it, but then got bored by it because of its so many glitches and broken gameplay elements, lack of polish, etc. I haven't been hyped for any other Bethesda game, and surely won't buy any other unless an eventual report confirms their games finally get to go through the polish process that they're obviously not going through right now. Of course, it helps that I usually buy games from the top developers out there. But when I take a risk, by getting an overly hyped game like Fallout is, I expect to have a product that lives up to it's review scores. Ź_Ź Oh, how I hate the "objectivity" plaguing the media right now.


RenderMonk (on 09 November 2010)

@Barozi I will enjoy spending my money on a better game. And trust me, you can't school me on gaming. FallOut is a FPS, as much as they try and market it as a RPG, it's a shooter, a shooter with Role PLaying elements, but your walk around in the first person persective with guns....that's a shooter, no matter how you slice it :)


Barozi (on 09 November 2010)

@RenderMonk enjoy your ban. Best games this gen with some bugs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre games without any bugs FACT And LOL at calling them FPS. You should do some research before arguing with the big boys. Funny how you call us 11 year olds when you're in fact not even half as old.


RenderMonk (on 09 November 2010)

I have to agree with the Writer of the Article. How can you ridiculous FPS fan-boys fall all over yourself with a broken game like that....even if it is a huge game, what your essentially saying is that if the game is big enough, there';s an acceptable bug/error/glitch ratio that's OK with you as the buyer. Are you retarted? Stop standing behind these bad FPS like their your first born child being picked on in school. It's a game. Same as Modern Warfare 2, I bet you were one of the ones that defended MW2 as well. We need to demand a little more attention to detail than that in the QA phase...The author of the article put it better than I could have with all his sources and reference, I'm just here to support that, and shame those 11 year olds out there that are defending this broken game: "Chairman-Mao", "Der.Archivar", "Barozi", "roland32", "Me". Maybe when you get a little older, and this isn't the first time someone takes advantage of your soft little virgin ass, takes your money, and manipulates you into thanking/praising them for it on every blog on the internet.....maybe then you can learn to stand up for something. Probably not though, people like you tend to ruin things for everyone, always have, always will....FTW (dumbasses)


Chairman-Mao (on 09 November 2010)

hahahaha ok whatever. Yeah I'll stop buying Bethesda games because of a few minor glitches even though they make some of the best games out of anyone. I'd like to see anyone make a world as big as the Capital Wasteland and have no glitches at all.


Der.Archivar (on 09 November 2010)

Even though the QA team and the producer of F:NV at Bethesda is much to blame for the state of F:NV, the head spinning exorcist oddness was due a corrupt image at steam, afaik was not seen in a retail version on any platform.


Barozi (on 09 November 2010)

yeah like I would miss out on the best games of this generation just because they have some bugs. *facepalm* Besides that I haven't seen one game breaking or quest stopping bug in Fallout 3 and I completed the game with version 1.0. (maybe one or 2 glitches) Fallout New Vegas does have more quest stopping bugs, but they're all part of various side quests, so you can still have fun for 50 hours without encountering another bug.


roland32 (on 09 November 2010)

If New Vegas is a broken game then that is pretty much the only type of game I want to play from now on. New Vegas is one of the best games I have ever played it is like playing Fallout 2 in HD. If the game locks up once or twice every 30 hours I really don't care. Maybe the game just has too many Chupracbras with automatic weapons.


AussieGecko (on 09 November 2010)

how is sony and diffferent in console making to microsoft. PS1 and 2 had serious disc reading issues at times. The PS3 copies everything from the 360 including the rrod in their own version YLOD. Dont think Sony is not to blame in this either. Nintendo does pretty well so i wont go after them..


Me (on 09 November 2010)

i'm 62 hours in and have seen one person half hangin out the ceiling, a couple of people floating and a woman typing on an invisible pc and thats it. The people missing out are the people who dont buy this game cos when it works like my copy it's an absolute amazing game - way way way better than fallout 3.


Rick82 (on 09 November 2010)

While we're at it, stop supporting broken hardware as well.


oniyide (on 09 November 2010)

@bengabenga they have mentioned the bugs, its not reviewers fault that some people cant wait a few hours till a review is up


whawhawha (on 09 November 2010)

I think this year especially, we have seen that reviews are just another form of marketing for the game companies. They are handing out scores for advertising dollars and I don't think this will stop any time soon if at all. I mean really, games should be judged on their visuals, game play, flaws, and across one generational standard, but clearly this has not been the case. We see one website align themselves with one company and their scores are opposite of another that has aligned in the opposite direction. It's terrible. I for one, combat this by not paying full price money for flawed or subpar games of any genre. Power of the consumer is a wonderful thing if everyone would get on board at one time. Don't let them dictate the market. be patient and buy that five dollar cheaper used copy if it is rushed or not made to this generation's standards. It is all up to us what we get.


BengaBenga (on 09 November 2010)

How can gamers stop supporting broken games if reviewers (give in to pressure of the publisher and) don't mention the bugs. The gaming industry needs and especially the gaming media really needs to change.


NYANKS (on 08 November 2010)

People are retarded. They'll waste money on anything. I'm not bashing the 360, but if people continue to buy defective hardware repeatedly what makes you think they'll stop with software. I wish games would be finished when they're released...


AnthonyW86 (on 08 November 2010)

Fallout: New Vegas is a complete joke. You can actually missuse the autosave function by just attacking and try to kill as many enemy's, than move to another room. Even if you get killed by other enemies you can just continue and you start at the same spot with very low health... but the killed enemy's are still dead. You can keep on doing this to take them out one by one. Issues like these really take the challenge out of the game and are so laughable(including multiple enemy's getting stuck) it just takes the point out of the game.


flagship (on 08 November 2010)

Bethesda has always been like this, on the plus side they make very enjoyable games and I will continue to support them for that.


Vetteman94 (on 08 November 2010)

With the amount of problems I am having with Fallout New Vegas, this will probably be the last Bethesda game I will ever own. Every single one of their games that I have bought has had numerous problems with them and they are ridiculously slow at getting patches out. They are as bad as Bioware in that regard.


scottie (on 08 November 2010)

@ elmerion - yeah, the very first game with Donkey Kong and mario was bugged - if you hit the last level the game crashed :P As long as it gets patched soon enough I don't see a huge problem


pots555 (on 08 November 2010)

I have bought Fallout 3 GOTY and New Vegas in the last month. Almost 50 hours in F3 and not a single problem. Just 5 hours into New Vegas, few bugs, but worried about the corrupt saves issue. But so far, it is an amazing game. I may be weird, but I bought it knowing it was buggy and hoping for patches. Even if I don't like this process, it will, on day, give me the chance to play New Vegas to it's full potentiel. Well, I sure hope so.


elmerion (on 08 November 2010)

"You are doing a disservice to your industry and insulting the good work of your colleagues." Honestly, i cant see why i should do a service to such an industry.. i think the "industry" has bigger problems than buggy games, Super Mario Bros was buggy, Castlevania was buggy, probably every NES game was buggy and yet they were good games. Conclusion, a game can be good AND buggy at the same time and i prefer (i think we all do) a good buggy game (which can be hilarious) than a polished bad game Relly good games, are those who are both polished and fun, but those are actually few Starcraft comes to mind at the moment, it has very few unpolished things on release and Blizzard constant updates makes it one of the best games ever, sells reflect both the quality and the polishment of the game (note: i havent played Fallout:NV, i know how annoying a saving bug can be, but Fallout is a great game and i think lots of people are having fun with the game atm, its not like Bethesda decided to release a buggy game on purpose)


zuvuyeay (on 08 November 2010)

HAHA,he's a creepy old man


Salnax (on 08 November 2010)

@Scoobes People have been making big, open ended games with multiple choices for progression since Metroid and The Legend of Zelda for the NES. A silly bug here and there is one thing. The BLOODY OPENING being broken is another thing entirely.


FlyingLotus (on 08 November 2010)

I agree. Leaving the community to fix your dirty work is fucking stupid.I'll wait a while before picking fallout up.


NightDragon83 (on 08 November 2010)

I'm roughly 8 hours into the main quest in New Vegas, and I have yet to see any kind of major bug or glitch, or even had the game freeze up on me. Actually i think the game has run quite smoothly, and load times and saves are quicker than in Fallout 3. I never really encountered any major issues in Fallout 3 either, but the game did freeze up on numerous times, especially after I installed and played the DLC packs like Broken Steel. For a game as massive and expansive as Fallout 3 and New Vegas are, their rate of bugs and glitches is much less than some other games I have played that had broken controls and gameplay issues from the start that weren't anywhere near as expansive as these two games. And it's almost impossible to fully test these games 100% before they are released to the general market. Besides, let's face it... if there is a bug or glitch in a game, no matter how big or small, it will always come to light eventually... that goes with the territory of being a gamer, especially since there are people out there who devote their entire lives to finding hacks and exploiting bugs and glitches in games lol.


Serious_frusting (on 08 November 2010)

and this is the thing that separates Sony and Nintendo from the rest


chocoloco (on 08 November 2010)

Despite the fact that my fallout new vegas game has frozen at least twelve times causing me to have to reboot the system I still say Bethesda makes some of the most enjoyable wrpg's out their topping even the great bioware. I do fill cheated if my overall experience of New Vegas due to its flaws, but I don't think this should stop people from buying the game. The review scores are low because of this and I also reviewed the game low due to glitches, but otherwise these games suck you in as the character better thaN ANY OTHER. I can say read dead redemption had many, many glitches many of them hilarious, but the game was still badass. There will probably never be perfection in gigantic open world games, sorry its just reality.


Rath (on 08 November 2010)

Hmm. I've played Oblivion, Morrowind and Fallout 3 right through and never encountered a serious glitch. Am I just lucky?


haxxiy (on 08 November 2010)

Bethesda should ditch that engine and throw it in the deepest pits of hell. They make awesome games but it is a bit sad to have to wait some two months after they're released to have something playable in hands.


AOvechkin08 (on 08 November 2010)

so basically we shouldn't support call of duty then? Sounds good to me. Fallout and Oblivion can be fixed with mods so they aren't really all that broken, you just need to put hte effort into fixing it which really sucks.


Thulak (on 08 November 2010)

I've never been a fan of ANY of Bethesda's games, they're all so god damn buggy and average (imo), I played New Vegas (Luckily the PC version) for about.. 5 hours and realised that it was total crap, I came across a stupid glitch where I had taken a stealth boy to get past the robot guards in Vegas, I then walked into a casino where I was meant to be spoken to by one of the workers there.. Only to find that they couldn't see me and I was stuck there.. I had to reload my last save (Which was freakin' miles back) after that I'd given up. I will never be a fan of Bethesda's work... Sorry for the hate as I know alot of people are fans of the Fallout and Oblivion series. They've just never clicked with me :-(


Scoobes (on 08 November 2010)

I do agree. But playing the devilas advocate, I would point out that Bethesda's games are massive in scale and scope. It's difficult to develop and test a large open world game with multiple options, levels, skills and abilities. Just look at how buggy the GTA games can get. Not saying that this is a suitable excuse for releasing such buggy games, but it is an explanation as to why certain games and genres are more suceptible to bugs.


Monges79 (on 08 November 2010)

I couldn't agree more. A lot of people were disappointed that Gears 3 got delayed until 2011. I was very happy. I knew with the extra time that they will have, they will hopefully polish the game to perfection. Cliff Blezinski said that he wasn't sure that the original Gears demo was going to play at E3, because they had some bugs that they couldn't figure out. Why release a game with so many bugs? I agree. Stop buying crappy half-finished games.


Mr Puggsly (on 08 November 2010)

Even with all the bugs Bethesda makes some of the best games on the market.


Monteblanco (on 08 November 2010)

The only Bethesda game I ever played was Fallout 3 GOTY for the PS3. The game was game, at least when it was working, which wasn't too often. I was deeply impressed how a GOTY edition released one year after the original release could be so buggy. I totally agree with Jackmovich. This sort of abuse is, in great part, result of too indulgent customers. Personally, I decided after Fallout 3 to never buy another Bethesda game until I am sure they improved their quality control.


Thechalkblock (on 08 November 2010)

This is one of the best articles I've ever read--I hope the folks over at Bethesda have a look at it.


CrashDestroyer (on 08 November 2010)

I like their games but I am not buying another one until they test their games and make them less game-breaking or maybe even console breaking. A graphic glitch or something weird happening once a blue moon is fine, you can't be perfect. But it happens everyday, everywhere. I don't know what I'm going to do if when I play Fallout 3 the game freezes and it breaks my console.


SmoothCriminal (on 08 November 2010)

Minecraft is only in Alpha and one of the best games ever, with minimal game-breaking bugs or glitches. Why can't other devs be that good? I mean for Christ's sake, it was made by one damn person.


Bman54 (on 08 November 2010)

But you have to admit, the exorcist/monkey guy at the beginning is kind of a funny glitch.


thismeintiel (on 08 November 2010)

This is the problem with having consoles connected to the internet. Yes, it's a great feature, but unfortunately developers are using it as an excuse to just patch unfinished games so they can rush them to retail. I'm just glad not every developer takes advantage of that. And small glitches and patches are going to happen, and that's fine. But, when a game is as buggy as FO:NV, then it just starts getting ridiculous. Miss the old gaming days. If your game was shit and glitchy as all hell, then your game flopped. Not anymore.


indodude (on 08 November 2010)

Am I the only person who hasn't encountered game breaking glitches shown above? *struts off to play New Vegas*


wiisley64 (on 08 November 2010)

No wonder they don't have any plans to release their games on Wii because they can't get away with releasing their broken games on there.


Hephaestos (on 08 November 2010)

hard to know before actually playing the game... then again I buy after price drops now, so there's advance warning =)


Aiddon (on 08 November 2010)

I was late to the party with Oblivion, so I didn't encounter any bugs and with Fallout 3 I didn't have problems (though I DID encounter frequent bugs where Deathclaws would rocket into the sky). But yes, I agree, Bethesda and Obsidian NEED TO STOP THIS. Buggy, glitchy games should NOT be released with the idea that patches will ALWAYS solve problems. WRONG. This crap didn't fly back in the SNES days, nor should it fly NOW. Probably one of the biggest issues is that the Gamebryo engine is getting really, really OLD by this point. And yes, critics really should have dropped the hammer and called the game out on being broken


hatmoza (on 08 November 2010)

As long as there are people willingly supporting broken games like FO, they will continue to be released broken.


arcelonious (on 08 November 2010)

I definitely agree with this article. My friend purchased Fallout: New Vegas for her PS3 and even after a small patch, she still experience game freezes, not to mention buggy companion characters, and so on. We consumers need to stop buying unfinished products, and review sites really need to be more accurate with their review scores. I mean, Fallout: New Vegas has a metacritic score in the 80's, which just doesn't seem to reflect how problem-ridden the game is. I find it ironic how we gamers will support an unfinished game like Fallout: New Vegas, yet at the same time, we get angry at developers like Polyphony Digital for delaying their game (even though they're trying to perfect their product before release).


Squeakthedragon (on 08 November 2010)

Personally, I feel a lot of this comes from poor development practices and a flawed production method at big developers. There are certain developers who have a far better track record at releasing games that are reasonably polished and glitch free - some of those games being very complex. Then there are the Bethesdas of the world. Ever notice how one of the most common fatal errors in modern console games are glitches causing saved games to become corrupted? Curious that. I think the problem with their production flow could be that big developers these days, especially western developers, do not nail down certain underpinnings of their games early on. We see it in how it's quite acceptable for western developers to write messy, unoptimized code resulting in games that can barely run - their experience in PC development being largely dependent on assuming hardcore gamers will just buy a bigger video card to make their bloated engine run better. But on consoles, that can't happen. So all too often this generation we see games released as "acceptable" that run like crap; and I don't just mean poor overall framerate. They chug, they wheeze, they freeze to load trivalities, and the control interface lags. Of course, publishers are promoting these practices because the games keep selling millions. So is the harsh truth that the average modern gamer "has no standards"? If the average customer can't tell the difference between a product that functions well, and one that functions poorly, and are still willing to shell out sixty bucks for a poorly coded mess that's patched three months later, then publishers have no reason to change their policies. Capitalism is a race to the bottom for most companies. They don't care about treating the customer with respect; just about locating the lowest common denominator of idiot (as they see it) who can be most easily parted of his money.


Michael-5 (on 08 November 2010)

Wow someone is angry at Bethesda. I've beaten Oblivon and Fallout 3 with all the DLC and never encountered a game cripling glitch, such as the ones your naming. To be honest, the only "glitches" I would have encountered is set sequences when AI just act poorly (like running into an enemy without shooting him, think that happened once in Fallout 3 and Oblivion for me). However It took me years to finally beat Oblivion, and Fallout 3 I beat in 3 months, after I bought the GOTY edition. I've read about these bugs in New Vegas, and the way you describe this behaviour is terrible. However this game looks like a really great game, and I think under-rated despite the glitches. I'm still looking very forward to picking up my GOTY edition next fall (because I'm a cheap bum). Until then Mass Effect 2 playthrough on Insane with all DLC, and Alan Wake for me.


spacecowgoesmoo (on 08 November 2010)

+1


nsimberg (on 08 November 2010)

We should bring back low-storage cartridge-based media. Can't patch a cartridge. Better get it right!


hiroko (on 08 November 2010)

finaly something me and VGC agree's STOP suporting game company's that dont make proper games and just rushh it out


gurglesletch (on 08 November 2010)

It is already at my house waiting for christmas. lol


Spedfrom (on 08 November 2010)

I've never bought a Bethesda game and right now it appears as if I never will.


hagelt18 (on 08 November 2010)

Unfortunately if you buy a game on launch then you end up supporting the game not knowing before hand what kind of issues it might have. I'm kind of disappointed with some of the freezing issues with Goldeneye on the wii. It has frozen the whole system up a few times already playing online. I have to manually turn off the system and turn it back on to get passed it. Normally you could blame the convenience of patches for this...but that's not the case here. Pure and simple low quality quality assurance.


AngelosL (on 08 November 2010)

Yeah ,they must stop releasing their games on alpha stage...it's getting really irritating


SecondWar (on 08 November 2010)

Glad Ive never bought one of their games. A from the reactions Im seeing, I doubt I ever will.


AngelosL (on 08 November 2010)

Yeah ,they must stop releasing their games on alpha stage...it's getting really irritating


Ajescent (on 08 November 2010)

That was the most disturbing video I've ever seen...


szerbijn (on 08 November 2010)

agree.


YoshMaster (on 08 November 2010)

I agree 100%. Even Nintendo started having bugs recently (Metroid Other M)... what is the world coming to??