Elder Scrolls VI Reportedly an Xbox Console Exclusive, No PS5 Release Planned

Libara (on 30 August 2021)

Which absolutely no one should be surpirsed about.

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Shiken Libara (on 31 August 2021)

I know one person that might be suprised, but it appears this comment section is not a place he "lives".

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G2ThaUNiT Shiken (on 31 August 2021)

It's sad I know EXACTLY who you're talking about lmao

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Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

"Xbox has no exclusives" - A common phrase people heard for years... And seems to be a criticism Microsoft took to heart and tried to rectify.

Sadly, it's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

People whinge at the lack of exclusivity, then whinge when -insert game here- becomes exclusive to a platform that isn't theirs.

Doesn't make a difference to me, I'll be playing these games on PC.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

Yes there were people bringing up MS lack of 1st party , but stating a weakness isn't whinging and when MS set about rectifying the situation by buying studios like Ninja Theory etc, the response was positive , what was not expected was to do it by buying a huge and successful 3rd party publisher with some of the biggest names in the business but your reply boils down to just a fuck you jack i'm alright attitude.

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Pemalite mjk45 (on 30 August 2021)

Microsoft was getting attacked by rabid individuals for not having exclusives... For years.
This is a fact.
Microsoft invested heavily in buying studios so they could have exclusives, resolving that criticism.
Microsoft is then getting criticized for buying up studios and making games exclusive.
This is also a fact.

The point I am trying to convey, is that... No matter what Microsoft does, people will attack them.

Yes, criticism is valid and something I always support because it can result in positive change, but without a doubt... The same individuals that bitched and moaned about Microsoft not having exclusive are now moaning about Microsoft making games exclusive.

At the end of the day, it's just business, it doesn't matter if the company is Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo, they don't give a crap about any of us as a single individual... And so the brand loyalty/hostility bullshit should stop.

And thankfully as a PC gamer and a Series X/Playstation 5/Switch owner, I don't need to care about exclusivity or brands, I can simply play everything.

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Otter Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

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LudicrousSpeed Otter (on 30 August 2021)

Which studios did Sony “grow organically”? They bought almost all of them.

Sucker Punch - bought
Insomniac - bought
Naughty Dog - bought
GG - bought

A common excuse for why it’s ok when Sony does it is they had partnerships with these studios before buying them… MS has worked with all of the companies they have bought last I checked.

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Otter LudicrousSpeed (on 31 August 2021)

All of those purchases equate to organic growth, Insomniacs' main audience has always been on PlayStation and all their successful endeavors have been sony funded or on sony IPs. You cannot say the same for Bethesda who literally sold more software on Playstation last gen than they did on Xbox. Why is everyone being so intellectually dishonest on this topic?

Permalite said "Sadly, it's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't."

And thats obviously not the case as no one battered an eye lid when MS purchased Playground games in 2018, because that was organic.

I'm not even complaining about the purchasing, just highlighting obvious dynamics at play here.

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LudicrousSpeed Otter (on 31 August 2021)

That’s still an acquisition, it’s not organic growth. You’re trying to put a pro-Sony spin on a term and change it’s meaning.

Sony became the software company they are today by buying other developers. Organic growth would be that they expanded with new studios of their own, not by purchasing others. It’s literally the opposite of organic growth, regardless of how you try to spin it.

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Otter LudicrousSpeed (on 31 August 2021)

Okay, I actually did just google "organic growth". I didn't know it was a specific business term and was using the language "if MS organically grew their 1st Party studios" more holistically, so you and Pemalite are correct here.

What I was trying to say is if their partnerships & collaborations naturally grew over time and were not disruptive to either parties audience. The same audience whom backlash comes from.

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LudicrousSpeed Otter (on 31 August 2021)

Of course it’s not disruptive but that doesn’t really make a difference. So Sony was paying Insomniac or Naughty Dog to keep their games off other platforms for years before they actually bought them, oh well.

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Otter LudicrousSpeed (on 31 August 2021)

Doesn't really make a difference? I think you've lost track of what the discussion was.

Pemalite said "No matter what Microsoft does, people will attack them."

I said if they grew studios "organically", meaning a way that is not disruptive to fans of the IPs/studios they purchase, people wouldn't attack them. Just as no one attacked them when they bought Playground games in 2018. That was the point. Do you not agree?

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LudicrousSpeed Otter (on 31 August 2021)

Oh of course, if MS placated critics who mostly weren’t interested in their product anyway, there’d be less fuss. Of course, that’s not a logical way to do business.

If someone was fine with Sony buying Insomniac, they should logically be fine with MS buying Bethesda. The only reasons not to be are personal greed or console warz.

His point was either way, haters gonna hate. Had they followed your plan and stuck to buying developers that wouldn’t ruffle feathers, then the criticism would have been “there just buying small studios no one cares about”, just like it was for months after they bought a slew of studios in 2018 or whenever it was.

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Otter LudicrousSpeed (on 31 August 2021)

If you're fine with someone picking an apple from an apple tree, you should also be fine if the same person picks an apple directly from your hand.

Understandably most people would not feel this way.... and thats why people will respond differently to different kinds of acquisitions which directly takes something away from a set of users who previously had access.

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LudicrousSpeed Otter (on 31 August 2021)

The apple is being taken from the tree in both situations. Sony and Nintendo gamers haven’t already bought TES6 or anything.

Let’s say MS revoked the PlayStation copies of Psychonauts 2 after they bought Double Fine, that’s an example of the apple being taken from your hand.

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Ashadelo Otter (on 01 September 2021)

wrong, Bethesda has always worked close with Microsoft since Arena, do some research.

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Otter Ashadelo (on 01 September 2021)

I never said they didn't have a strong working relationship, but Bethesda has a had majority playstation console audience this last generation. Here's a quote from Fallout 4's its launch sales. Playstation sales even outpaced PC and nearly double Xbox.

" with 3,010,966 shifted on Sony’s current-generation console—-close to double the amount of the Xbox One version"

https://www.psu.com/news/fallout-4-sold-over-5-million-in-first-week-ps4-sales-ahead-of-xbox-one-version/

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Pemalite Otter (on 30 August 2021)

Sony has bought:

Insomniac Games.
Psyhnosis.
Eidetic.
Naughty Dog.
Incognito Entertainment.
Guerrilla Games.
Zipper Interactive.
Sigil Games Online.
Evolution Studios.
Bigbig Studios.
Media Molecule.
Sucker Punch Productions.
Housemarque
Nixxes Software.

Clearly Sony has done it's acquisitions... And if people are going to criticize Microsoft for growing it's studios inorganically whilst not recognizing that Sony has/does the exact same thing... Then they are blatant hypocrites.

This all goes back to the brand loyalty I stated earlier.. You are the perfect example of it, that most of it is bullshit and people should stop doing it.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

Yep and they bought them all at once by buying a large 3rd party publisher, there's a difference between buying independent studios over a number of decades and a large 3rd party publishing company that was successful . it's why Ninja Theory and the other studios were seen as enhancing MS and in return MS ensured their ongoing viability , i f you can't see the difference I'm sorry .

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Pemalite mjk45 (on 31 August 2021)

Doesn't matter what the time frame was when they purchased a publisher/developer. It's the fact they still did it.

You can't bitch and moan about Microsoft doing it and then give another company a free pass, you just can't, it's hypocritical... And an apologetic, biased stance.

It's plainly toxic rhetoric.

Bland loyalty needs to take a back seat, it really does.

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Otter Pemalite (on 31 August 2021)

I genuinely expect better from your comprehension Pemalite.

Growing 1st party studios organically does not mean that you do not purchase them or make any acquisitions. No one said that, it's why I literally mention 2 purchases from Nintendo and Sony that did not kick up a shit storm because it was an organic growth of what was already established. If MS bought the team who were responsible for developing their IP Ori, that would equate to organic growth. If MS purchased Bungie back in the day, that too would be organic growth.

We only know who Naughty Dog/Sucker Punch/Geurilla games are because of collaborations with Sony. They haven't established a major audience on the competitor console. Meanwhile, Bethesda literally sold more software on Playstation than Xbox last generation, their console audience was largely on Playsation and this creates part of the conflict which we're watching play out. It's not hypocritical to understand this dynamic. There's a reason why there are articles about The European Commission eventually approving the purchase, there is no such weight behind sony purchasing Insomniac.

To highlight this difference is not "Brand Loyalty"... I criticise sony a lot, most recently for the GOT paid upgrade. I've also owned every xbox console since the OG and will get Series X some point down line.... Focus more on the contents of the discussion than shallow & false observation of the person you're discussing with.

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SecondWar Otter (on 31 August 2021)

“If MS purchased Bungie back in the day, that too would be organic growth.”

You realise Microsoft used to own Bungie, right? (2000 to 2007)

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Otter SecondWar (on 31 August 2021)

Oh, no I didn't. Weird that they let them go.

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Pemalite Otter (on 31 August 2021)

Otter, I am not sure what you expect from me, nor do I care, I am not here to "twist" a narrative to fit anyone's world-view or agenda or to make anyone happy... Again. I don't care, I have better things to do than worry about someone else's feelings over such a minor issue.

I am a PC gamer, I am part of the PC Gaming Master Race. - I do own all the consoles (Playstation 5, Xbox Series X and Switch), I don't care about brand, you can't get anymore unbiased than that when talking about consoles.

If you buy a studio, that is NOT organic growth. That is not natural growth. - That is growth by acquisition.

You are shifting the goal post because the "Sony" name is included, which is absolutely a hypocritical perspective.

Now after a purchase, you can "organically" grow a developer/publisher to greater heights, there is no arguing about that... And Sony has done that rather well through strategic long-term investment.. But for all intents and purposes, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have demonstrated they are happy to make acquisitions which is absolutely inorganic growth.

The hypocrisy needs to stop, it's just business at the end of the day.

If Sony had the finances and the right offer, they would absolutely have bought Bethesda in a heartbeat before Microsoft or Nintendo... But they didn't and the rest is history... Pretending otherwise is absolutely ludicrous.

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Otter Pemalite (on 31 August 2021)

There is no shifting of goal post, just critical thinking and an awareness that different business decisions have different degrees of impact on their respective audiences. Some are more disruptiuve than others. You implied that not matter what MS done, by expanding their exclusives they would incur a backlash

"Sadly, it's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't."

But we know that isn't true and many prior acquisitions did not, because they were not the outright purchase of major 3rd party multiplatform publisher and their multiplatform IPs.

You're dissolving all nuance into a sterile "a purchase is a purchase" and parading it as unbiased, when in fact it's just indifference, reinforced by the fact that you are not being affected. You should probably take that indifference and apply it to this topic at large instead of bemoaning "The hypocrisy needs to stop"

A company like MS/Sony/Nintendo buying a massive multiplatform publisher or money hatting a major multiplatform franchise etc will always be divisive and treated differently from them making more bespoke purchases which do not majorly severe an IPs audience. Any backlash that follows this is entirely natural & will pass in time as the new normal is established.

But that's it from me on this topic, its definitely been beaten to death

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Pemalite Otter (on 31 August 2021)

So what you are saying is you wouldn't have bitched and complained if Microsoft bought all the studios under Zenimax in separate smaller purchases? It's only because it was a big conglomerate of companies that you take issue with it all?

Microsoft made a business decision, that's all there is to it. Who cares?

You want to play Starfield? Elder Scrolls 6? Buy a PC or an Xbox. - That is why these games are exclusive remember, to get you into an ecosystem.

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pitzy272 Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

I disagree (respectfully) with the way you’re presenting the level of criticism that’s been directed toward MSFT. I’ve actually been really surprised the blowback toward MSFT has been so minimal. I expected them to get a ton of flack for literally buying their way into a competitive position. No console company in the history of the video game industry has ever made purchases on the level MSFT has in the past two or so years; yet, I’ve seen relatively very little anger and criticism.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

Painting a picture of the response being an attack on MS by using the narrow viewpoint of in your own words" rabid individuals" without alluding to the many other less partisan voices involved in the debate is disingenuous , all main parties in the industry whether they be PC - Sony - MS - Nintendo have their partisan elements from both a positive and negative standpoint, so if the other players were in the same position we would see the same partisan reaction just in reverse ,it's not just specific to MS..

The fact is MS's lack of 1st party had been a talking point for more than a decade and they exacerbated the problem by continually making comments that games take time and they are in the pipeline now that's a sensible point to make except when years pass the can gets kicked down the road again and again, so when game pass came to be and they sprung to action with the purchases of independent studios like Ninja Theory etc it was given a positive reception from the industry of course there are some who were negative but like I pointed out that is isn't MS specific, and if we are being truthful most of us have a leaning toward certain sectors of the industry but where we differ from the tribal nonsense (excepting sporting teams "go you blue baggers" ) is we love the industry more than our place in it , but I digress, those studios were seen to add to MS 1st party while at the same time ensuring their viability and adding more games without over consolidating the industry, the purchase of Zenimax was one of buying a successful large 3rd party publisher a path that has lead to further partitioning of the sector and this critique wasn't from the rabid edge who are only interested in their tribes one-upmanship but from people who didn't want to have to say the words I"m thankful that are now being used by those not impacted.

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Pemalite mjk45 (on 31 August 2021)

The industry is consolidating, it can suck for some, but the investment isn't always a bad thing.

Sometimes we get a few key personnel who will leave these big giant conglomerates with fat wallets and lots of resources and go on to form new ventures that potentially make it big.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 31 August 2021)

This wasn't some small company that needed investment to grow it'

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Pemalite mjk45 (on 31 August 2021)

All companies try to grow.
It tends to be a "demand" by investors... Regardless of company size.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 31 August 2021)

You don't grow your company by selling it you simply take the money and run since it is no longer your company , like I said this wasn't a start up or a new successful company that needed growth capital it was a large mature 3rd party publisher who had access to capital investment if and when needed, it was simple a matter of MS putting a large enough amount on the table and then Zenimax owners said yes lined their pockets and left, now I don't blame MS it's a free market , but one thing that doesn't get talked enough about is they already had that content on XBox and it wasn't going anywhere , it's the main reason we haven't seen the platform holders buying up big publishers, their aim was to lock it behind game pass no matter what spin Phil puts out about an open industry.

I guess it boils down to me saying the less choice there is the worse off we are even if it doesn't directly impact us now because the next time it might impact us.

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Pemalite mjk45 (on 01 September 2021)

If you want more choice, then apply pressure on Sony to allow gamepass on Playstation.

This is what competition is all about... It sucks when you don't get the benefits, but that is the point.

Microsoft needed exclusives, people bitched and complained Microsoft had no exclusives and that there was zero reason to buy an Xbox.

Microsoft dumped billions of dollars and bought up studios left-right and center.
Peoples bitching and Microsoft's desire for more marketshare is what drove them to the current situation.

The fact it has you so upset, means Microsoft made the right choice, now they have a carrot to dangle to get you into the Xbox ecosystem.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 01 September 2021)

I've been in the xbox system since day one I own them all and started gaming with the commodore 64 I don't need you to tell me about choices , i'm not upset I'm just putting out an opinion that differs from your oh they paid millions so it makes it right attitude having different opinions is what what VGChartz is all about , i put mine you put yours and we debate it, still I would have loved to see a bit more industry centric discussion on the subject rather than it being turned into a MS and PS thing.

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Pemalite mjk45 (on 01 September 2021)

The price is irrelevant. - Pretty sure I said that earlier in this chain? But I digress.

So let me get this straight... Are you suggesting Microsoft should make it's games multi-platform?

I also don't care about Microsoft or Sony, they are just brands. It's not an Xbox vs Playstation thing... It's a exclusive vs non-exclusive thing and what it means for the industry.

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mjk45 Pemalite (on 02 September 2021)

My posts had nothing to do with MS making there games multi platform or wanting some open gaming utopia, they now own the IP so it's up to them to do what they want with it , I'm not against MS it doesn't matter if it was Sony or Nintendo who bought them I would still be against it . I like you own all brands and PC .

I'm sure both of us see benefit from MS buying independent studios and evolving them, after all would we have gotten one of my favourite games Halo in the form that it arrived on Xbox and its following impact without MS, and having purchases of studios like Ninja Theory and others who live in the world of game to game paychecks despite the quality of their output meaning that they now gain security and MS gains quality first party studios and IP,is a good outcome, where we seem to diverge is on how we see the the purchase of Zenimax in this expansion , to me it was a large company with completely different dynamics to the independent studios that already put it's product on Xbox and for their need for game pass content they could have made a deal, but having it on game pass wasn't enough for them ,even though Phil talked a good game of disliking 3rd party exclusivity .

Now and I feel this is an important point to make I DON'T BLAME MS FOR DOING THIS , but I do see it as a negative. your opinion differs and that's fine and like mine i can't see it changing but at least we discussed our outlooks
My first post was just a generalised post about what I see as the perils of blanket statements, the rest was my take on the subject that you correctly defined with "it's a exclusive vs non exclusive and what it means to the Industry thing " my opinion is it is a bit more
nuanced than that but as a general rule of thumb openness is the preferred model .
to finish I'm sure we shall have more future conversations some harmonious some not but even when we feel the need to take the other to task it will be with goodwill cheers.

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Scoopz Pemalite (on 31 August 2021)

Great response ?

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pokoko Pemalite (on 30 August 2021)

Bad argument. A criticism and how an entity deals with a criticism are two separate things and it's entirely possible that both are deserving of a negative response. Trying to bundle them up with "you can't complain no matter what they do" catch-all makes no sense.

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method114 Pemalite (on 31 August 2021)

Yep I have a gaming PC and a PS5. I feel bad for anyone who was left out though. I remember being a kid with limited finances and trying to play all the games on each console just wasn't possible. Thankfully those days are behind me.

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Pemalite method114 (on 01 September 2021)

I have:

Gaming laptop.
Gaming desktop PC.
Playstation 5.
2x Xbox Series X.
2x Nintendo Switch consoles.

Definitely ready for games to blow me away!

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method114 Pemalite (on 01 September 2021)

lol your way more hardcore than me. I had a switch but I got rid of it. I was gaming so much at home, at work, and then anytime we left the house I had my wife driving while I gamed. I realized it was time to take a step back and I sold it. Luckily I sold it when switch stock was low so I basically made all my money back.

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G2ThaUNiT (on 30 August 2021)

I honestly don't know why this is still a conversation at this point. It was pretty clear what the term "legacy" meant. I was going back and forth with someone on this site that was still believing most new games of Bethesda's franchises would still go to PlayStation as recently as the Quake Remaster announcement, but at this point, I'm just gonna let the official announcements from Xbox/Bethesda silence the doubters because any info from Jeff Grub is still going to fuel them lol and reasonably so tbh. His track record is spotty at best. Nobody questioned exclusivity when it came to the acquisition of Double Fine, Obsidian Entertainment, inXile Entertainment, Ninja Theory, or Compulsion Games.

Besides, we're not getting new info from ES 6 for years still lol

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Otter G2ThaUNiT (on 30 August 2021)

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hiccupthehuman Otter (on 30 August 2021)

Pete Hines literally replied to Red Dragon and said that Red Dragon was twisting his words to say something else he was saying.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/1432422360922169346

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Otter hiccupthehuman (on 30 August 2021)

Yes, my comment is not about Starfield though. I'm discussing their established, huge franchises like Elderscrolls that were historically multiplatform. The ones with legacies on other platforms :p

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hiccupthehuman Otter (on 30 August 2021)

The Outer Worlds has legacy on Ps. The Outer Worlds 2 is exclusive

Hellblade has legacy on Ps. Hellblade 2 is exclusive.

Take a game like say Fallout 5 or ES6, are those types of games more similar to The Outer Worlds or to Minecraft? I think you'll be hardpressed to convince anyone that Fallout 5 is more like Minecraft than Outer Worlds. You act like Bethesda Game Studios is this huge entity that would have some sway over MS. It is a studio of 400 people, they're like any other MS. Why would they get different treatment than if Ninja Theory or Obsidian?

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Otter hiccupthehuman (on 30 August 2021)

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hiccupthehuman Otter (on 30 August 2021)

Doom and Elder Scrolls's PS5 upgrade were promised before Bethesda was acquired (in August 2020). Of course they would keep their promise. It doesn't prove anything.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/doom-eternal-elder-scrolls-online-to-offer-free-xb/1100-6480639/#:~:text=Doom%20Eternal%2C%20Elder%20Scrolls%20Online%20To%20Offer%20Free,most%20recent%20games%20will%20get%20free%20next-gen%20upgrades.

Notice how when Minecraft was announced they acquired Minecraft, they announced the very same day that they would continue to make Minecraft available everywhere. And evidently, that obviously that includes things like Dungeons.

"we plan to continue to make Minecraft available across platforms – including iOS, Android and PlayStation, in addition to Xbox and PC."
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2014/09/15/games-minecraft-to-join-microsoft/

The silence this time around for Elder Scrolls and Fallout is telling. Anyway, we can agree to disagree but I feel pretty confident they will be exclusive. Most industry analysts agree as well, including Jeff Grubb and Jason Schreier.

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Otter hiccupthehuman (on 31 August 2021)

Except they haven't been silent and said they would look at Bethesda releases on a "case-by-case" basis.

You are right about Doom/ES online but Skyrim 10 year anniversary edition was not announced prior to the aquisition yet is arriving on PS5. It's clear that Bethesda/MS are managing those major IP different to the likes of Hellblade where their is no commitment to "legacy".

In regards to Minecraft I'm curious whether they meant the existing "Minecraft" game or they meant the franchise as a whole

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hiccupthehuman Otter (on 31 August 2021)

Bethesda did promise Skyrim anniversary upgrade for PS5. Besides Doom and Elder Scrolls Online, "Bethesda promises that any other current-gen games that it ports to next-gen will get free upgrades too." It is the first line in the link I sent.

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Otter hiccupthehuman (on 01 September 2021)

The promise you're quoting is the promise of the upgrade being "free". Not the promise that they will upgrade current gen games to their next gen platform.

"any other current-gen games that it ports to next-gen will get free upgrades too."

They're saying if they choose to port a game to a next gen platform, it will be free. The question is why are they chosing
to port to PS5? Why is Hellblade not ported to PS5?

As I said "It's clear that Bethesda/MS are managing those major IP different to the likes of Hellblade where their is no commitment to "legacy"."

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dane007 Otter (on 31 August 2021)

Phil Spencer has said if Sony wants elder scrolls and any of their games, they need to allow gamepass on their system. Until then it won't happen. Why would they waste 7.5 billion investment and then make it available on their competition platform. That's not logical

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Otter dane007 (on 01 September 2021)

I ask the same about Minecraft Dungeouns and no one seems to give an answer. What do you think?

What I've argued already is that Bethesda, just like Mojang sought some reassurance before purchase that some titles can land on consoles outside of Xbox based on the fact that they have large userbases on playstation/nintendo

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G2ThaUNiT Otter (on 01 September 2021)

YOU! Lol for real though the answer is kinda obvious, Minecraft Dungeons, Minecraft Earth, and Minecraft: Story Mode were made and continue to be listed as "spin-offs" rather than entirely new games like Elder Scrolls 5 going to Elder Scrolls 6, therefore part of the same single game, Minecraft, therefore fall in the same category as FO76 and ESO of continuing games receiving support for whatever platforms they continue to be on.

Notch was the only one to sell his position at Mojang whereas the other leaders including the CEO remained. There's nothing heads of Bethesda could've done in regards to reassurance since all the heads were bought out, including the Board of Directors who have since been dissolved, and unfortunately Robert Altman passed. Everyone else got their payday and dipped.

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Otter G2ThaUNiT (on 02 September 2021)

Hi! I don't believe you even believe what you wrote, sorry.

A spin off is a separate game which deviates from the formula mechanics of the main entry I.e Halo Wars etc. A spin off is not DLC or an expansion. Minecraft Dungeons is not an expansion pack.

Minecraft dungeons was created from the ground up in UE4 (a separate engine from minecraft), it is a stand alone title sold separately with no upgrade path from the main Minecraft.

Beyond that why is Bethesda releasing titles like Quake or Skyrim anniversary on PS5? These games were not announced prior to the take over. Why are they interested in releasing "legacy" software on other platforms but Ninja Theory won't even port Hellblade to PS5? Why is it so hard for us to except that MS is managing Mojang and Bethesda differently from other acquisitions?

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dane007 Otter (on 01 September 2021)

Minecraft is different. When ms
bought minecraft, Minecraft was already 100 million copies and sold heaps on all platform. And since then minecraft has gained 138 million more copies . Total is 238 million copies. No Bethesda games will ever dell that well, plus no one buys a ps5 or series x/s or switch just for minecraft hahah. However people will buy xbox or be a member of gamepass just for starfiled, let alone any Bethesda game. Ms knows that. Plus minecraft was only 1/3 of Bethesda price.

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Otter dane007 (on 02 September 2021)

And fallout 4 sold almost 2x on playstation what it did in Xbox. I hope you're connecting the dots. All I've ever been saying is that things are not as clean cut as people are making them out to be. There many distinctions in how Bethesda is dealing with playstation 5(Quake/Skyrim Anniversary) which stands in contrast to how other MS aquisitions are handling PS5 (Ninja theory/Hellblade).

This is not even wishful thinking on my side, I've had every Xbox console and will get a series X in time. I'm just acknowledging all the very obvious ways the acquisition is different from the others, the same way mojang was...

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dane007 Otter (on 02 September 2021)

Skyrim anniversary is basically going to be skyrim edition that was done on ps4 and xbox one with added fishing. Its not like a ground up remake. Remember skyrim is a legacy game. It was released originally on all platforms. Its not like starfield and elder scrolls 6 which are not out and being only developed for pc and xbox. Its completely separate issue. Same with quake. Its basically remastered edition of the old game on pc which have come on consoles before. Again quake is a legacy game not a brand new game. Any legacy game that has released on older systems and then be released again but slightly remastered, will be released to Sony. Any brand new game that's not even out yet or even close to development, won't be coming to ps5. Its very easy to understand. Quale remastered won't make money and so will skyrim lol. It's just a reason to keep going lol. Won't be like starfield that will sell. Millions and so will es6

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Otter dane007 (on 02 September 2021)

You're not answering why Bethesda are doing Legacy games but other MS studios like Ninja Theory are not? Pls tell me.

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dane007 Otter (on 02 September 2021)

Because ninja theory games don't sell much in terms of overall sales across all platforms. So if they stop it for one platform, it won't harm their sales. Different got Bethesda legacy titles and Bethesda legacy last quite awhile aka skyrim and that game alone would sold almost all of ninja theory games combine.. Ninja theory can rely on the over 20 million subscribers on gamepass to offset the loss from not releasing upgrades on legacy games. Hope that makes sense

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Otter dane007 (on 02 September 2021)

It does and pretty much aligns you with what I said to begin with which is that Bethesda studios existing IPs have been treated differently, just as Mojang has.

That doesnt mean ES6 is going to be on playstation but its reason why we can't rule it out, even if it means a late port

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SecondWar Otter (on 30 August 2021)

“MS would have made an offer detailing how they plan to manage IPs and freedoms that they will give to the developers- or in this case, publisher, as Bethesda will continue to publish under their own name as opposed to MS studios (likely a term of the agreement)”

That is not something that will be in the purchase agreement and regardless Microsoft could change that any time they choose. That’s how ownership works.
The terms of any IP freedoms will boil down to creative control in development, but not publishing which Microsoft will dictate as it acts as the publisher. It will have given Bethesda a set of rules for what it can do and can choose at any point to stop using the brand and publish Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom etc under the Xbox Game Studios brand.

You’re going to be sorely disappointed if you’re still clinging onto hope that they release on Playstation.

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Otter SecondWar (on 30 August 2021)

I think we all know how ownership works, but goodwill is also a thing. You would create terribly toxic internal relations if you immediately go back on all of your commitments & promises just because you can. It'd also sour your name for future potential partners & acquisitions.

Beyond that, I feel like the point is being missed. Bethesda and Mojang are not like MS' other purchases, this is clear as day. Imagine Naughty Dog talking about the potential of releasing some games on Xbox. MS & bethesda outright said that there will be some form of Bethesda multiplatform content on other platforms, why don't we see this with Halo/Fable/Gears etc? Why did a new Minecraft game release on Playstation years after MS purchased Mojang?

It's pretty evident that when massive multiplatform IPs are bought, the sellers either demand more in terms of how their IPs and audiences are handled, or MS simply see's it as an opportunity to pocket more money from that established multiplatform audience. This is really all we can confirm right now, and they've had every opportunity to say all newly announced Bethesda games will be exclusive. Instead we have statements like "I don't know the answer to that right now"

And to clarify, I'm not saying ES6 will ever be on Playstation, simply that we really don't know until it's confirmed, the precedent simply isn't there for us to be certain.

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SecondWar Otter (on 30 August 2021)

Minecraft is an outlier due to the nature of Minecraft. Naughty Dog is a bizarre example to use - owned by Sony and have never made a game for Xbox. A better example would have been MLB: The Show which was made by Sony but came to Xbox (with a Playstation logo on the boxart no less), but again that’s an outlier.

The only new games beyond Minecraft releasing on PS consoles will be those announced before the acquisition - see Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop. Note Psychonauts 2 only came to PS4 for that reason - but no PS5 version as that wasn’t announced at the time.

The Hellblade and Doom comparison is misleading. Hellblade’s developer isn’t a part of Bethesda so hasn’t been given the legacy commitment to Playstation. Doom Eternal has. You also need to see this distinction in legacy content (ie existing games) and legacy of series’ (ie Doom series as opposed to Doom Eternal). Its the former that will see Playstation support but not the latter.

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Otter SecondWar (on 31 August 2021)

What is the nature of Minecraft that makes it an outlier and leads to the spin off being released on Playstation? Genuine question.

"Hellblade’s developer isn’t a part of Bethesda so hasn’t been given the legacy commitment to Playstation"

That is exactly the point I made to the person I was discussing that with. You are also acknowledging that there is a specific commitment from Bethesda and that aligns you with what I am saying. The Bethesda purchase is clearly playing out differently from others, MS has even verbally said they'll look at Bethesda releases on a "case-by-case" basis. This was my point. This was the OG comment that prompted the discussion

"Nobody questioned exclusivity when it came to the acquisition of Double Fine, Obsidian Entertainment, inXile Entertainment, Ninja Theory, or Compulsion Games."

Nobody questioned it because MS themselves has treated & spoken on those purchases very differently

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LudicrousSpeed (on 30 August 2021)

Man the Xbox lineup is going to be fucking amazing

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thevideogameninja (on 30 August 2021)

This is absolutely insane!!!

I think we all knew something like this was going to happen once Microsoft acquired Zenimax. For the last few months Microsoft had been throwing around flowery language to give the impression that many of these games would still be offered on Sony's consoles but I think we all knew what was really going to happen.

I mean, it does make sense doesn't it? Why would a company buy out another company just so they could continue doing what they were already doing?

This is huge news for Microsoft fans and a very, very somber day for Sony fans. Until things are officially announced there is still a hope for Sony fans who want to play the latest offerings from Bethesda but I have a feeling things won't be so cheery.

-WE ALL SAW THIS COMING NINJA APPROVED-

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Qwark (on 31 August 2021)

On the bright side this might mean a Bethesda studio's game might receive some optimisation for a change.

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fauzman Qwark (on 04 September 2021)

Lol. I was thinking that hopefully Bethesda game glitches would start becoming a thing of the past? (though as a PS gamer, chances are high that i would not know as i would no longer be playing any of these).

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Darwinianevolution (on 30 August 2021)

Makes sense. Mith Microsoft's adquisition, TES6 would have to be either a full exclusive or a Skyrim level multiplat (after the exclusivity sales had run their course).

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Eric2048 (on 31 August 2021)

This is the most comments i've seen on a article/news page.

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G2ThaUNiT Eric2048 (on 31 August 2021)

Let's get it to 100!

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Azzanation (on 31 August 2021)

I dont care about Elder Scrolls, but damn its funny seeing people contradict themselves. MS have no Exclusives, to those exclusives arent fair. Goal Posts continue to move and will always move because haters will hate.

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Podings (on 31 August 2021)

If they manage to get me excited about this game in the first place, I'm likely playing it on PC anyway.

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S.Peelman (on 31 August 2021)

Wow what a gigantic surprise!

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Naum (on 31 August 2021)

Guess I'll play it on PC then... the horror :)

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victor83fernandes Naum (on 31 August 2021)

Microsoft wins anyway as this will be windows store not steam.

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G2ThaUNiT victor83fernandes (on 31 August 2021)

Just about every first part Xbox game is on Steam. They’ve even bragged about being one of the largest third party publishers on the platform. Minecraft Dungeons is coming to Steam this month along with the launches of Forza Horizon 5, and Halo Infinite. So most likely Starfield will be on Steam
as well. I think the only first party Xbox games that aren’t on Steam is Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and Rare Replay

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dane007 (on 31 August 2021)

https://www.purexbox.com/news/2021/08/bethesda_and_xbox_shut_down_speculation_about_starfield_coming_to_ps5_again. Hope this clears the confusion again

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OTBWY (on 31 August 2021)

Glad I have my Xbox Series X!

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Kristof81 (on 31 August 2021)

https://i.imgur.com/KR93TA2.gif

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LudicrousSpeed Kristof81 (on 31 August 2021)

Blunt Talk was an underrated show

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LudicrousSpeed LudicrousSpeed (on 31 August 2021)

Why the fuck is this getting downvotes LOL

Freaks

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LudicrousSpeed shikamaru317 (on 01 September 2021)

I’m glad they changed the hidden comment threshold to -10. Next they should make votes visible.

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rapsuperstar31 (on 30 August 2021)

As it should be since Microsoft owns them...that being said it will lower the amount of people that play it as I'm sure there are plenty of Playstation/Nintendo players that will not be getting an Xbox. I'm hoping the cloud streaming service works fine for games like this on the Xbox One S.

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Kakadu18 (on 30 August 2021)

That was obvious.

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TheWalrusCaesar (on 31 August 2021)

why does this have EIGHTY FIVE replies

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G2ThaUNiT TheWalrusCaesar (on 31 August 2021)

Because half of this site believes all NEW Bethesda games will be Xbox console exclusive and the other half believes it's still ambiguous lol. Really makes the "console wars" seem alive and well. I'm on PC, so I'm getting games no matter what lol

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LudicrousSpeed TheWalrusCaesar (on 31 August 2021)

Bethesda wields a big dick

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Yassgragra (on 30 August 2021)

Oof

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victor83fernandes (on 31 August 2021)

I'm good, a powerful PC I build in January + elite 2 controller with all games for free, a switch with all games for free and a ps5 which I got a couple months back, I'm good for this generation, bring it on.

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Dulfite IcaroRibeiro (on 30 August 2021)

That is your choice. I'm sure Microsoft knows not as many will play the game being on their ecosystem exclusively, and yet the numbers they have crunched money-wise seem to justify the move anyway.

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G2ThaUNiT Dulfite (on 30 August 2021)

They're definitely trying to get you into their ecosystem one way or the other whether through console, PC (Xbox app or web browser), mobile, or Smart TV soon last I heard.

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IcaroRibeiro Dulfite (on 30 August 2021)

Really? I was sure my assertion could change Microsoft plans. Thanks for breaking my delusions

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Dulfite IcaroRibeiro (on 30 August 2021)

No need for that kind of response.

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Zkuq IcaroRibeiro (on 30 August 2021)

Not sure why this is downvoted. This is a perfectly fine way to look at the situation, and it's not even presented as an objective truth but as a subjective view instead.

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IcaroRibeiro Zkuq (on 30 August 2021)

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smroadkill15 IcaroRibeiro (on 30 August 2021)

People downvote you because they find your comment childish, as it is. The fact you won't even consider playing the game because it won't come to your preferred platform is console warring 101.

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IcaroRibeiro smroadkill15 (on 30 August 2021)

Or maybe I just don't have money or interest to invest in a new platform. What I truly find warring is how many fanboys are camping on my post as it was some kind of attack to either MS or Bethseda. Well at least now that I'm being truly dismissive you have a reason, enjoy

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smroadkill15 IcaroRibeiro (on 30 August 2021)

So you don't have a phone, PC, tablet, Xbox, smart tv, etc? It's really not some crazy invest you are making it out to be.
"And this is why I will NEVER play this game." Most of those disagreeing aren't fanboys, but those who find your comment silly because it's literally console warring at it's finest. You knew exactly what you were doing when you made the comment.

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IcaroRibeiro smroadkill15 (on 30 August 2021)

Good luck playing Elder Scrolls 6 on Smart Phone and entry level PC. This is not Ori (which by the way I have on PC and Switch), this is a AAA blockbuster and will require some minimum level of specs to be playable. I get you don't like the idea people will skip this because they don't want purchase a Xbox, but there is no reason to play dumb. To play this game some will either need a Series X or a fancy PC. I have plans to buy neither, hence I will never play this game... well unless it's backfire and actually got a PS5 version

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IcaroRibeiro shikamaru317 (on 31 August 2021)

Im very found of the idea of cloud gaming as a cloud enthusiast myself. But good internet connection in Brazil just won't happen anytime soon

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Zkuq Zkuq (on 30 August 2021)

Ah, now I see. It's people taking the stance that everyone should either get every platform that gets interesting games or shut up. I suppose that is an explanation I did not expect and I can't really agree with it, but it's an explanation alright. Geez...

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smroadkill15 Zkuq (on 30 August 2021)

Nobody is saying we must buy every platform, but someone going out of there way to voice how they will "Never" play the game without any real explanation, tells us exactly why they made the comment.

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Zkuq smroadkill15 (on 30 August 2021)

Well, the impression I'm getting from the posts here is that by default, you're expected to get every platform with interesting games on it or shut up - or, as you're now saying, having to explain why they're not getting a certain platform.

I don't personally think saying you're never going to play a game because of the platforms it's on to be controversial enough to call for any explanation unless specifically asked for (especially in a comment section instead of on forums), but apparently a lot of people do. I can often see why people get downvoted for relatively similar comments, but I was especially baffled because I didn't get the vibe that there was anything controversial this time.

Anyway, I suppose this is another great reminder about how differently people think about a lot of things.

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SecondWar Zkuq (on 31 August 2021)

No, it’s the implied bitterness in the original comment.

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Zkuq SecondWar (on 31 August 2021)

If, for some reason, you owned only a limited number of platforms, expecting at least one of them to get a game (and for a good reason as well), wouldn't you be disappointed, maybe even visibly so, if the game didn't come out on any of your platforms? I know I would (and it's would, because as PC is my main platform, this doesn't concern me in that regard).

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Imaginedvl IcaroRibeiro (on 30 August 2021)

lol okay :) Good for you ahah. Unless you really do not have a PC, Mobile, or any other GamePass device, but the assumption is that this is a sort of boycott comment . I May be wrong, but that's why you are getting downvoted because if it is the case it is very absurd....

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IcaroRibeiro Imaginedvl (on 30 August 2021)

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2zosteven IcaroRibeiro (on 31 August 2021)

you will be missing out!

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SecondWar shikamaru317 (on 31 August 2021)

Yet there is someone commenting on this very thread who doesn’t seem to get that.

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Otter shikamaru317 (on 31 August 2021)

Indiana Jones is a major question mark. Just like Sony developing MBL but it releasing on Xbox as part of the deal sony agreed to, I suspect Indiana Jones is going to be multiplatform as per an earlier contractual agreement

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Otter shikamaru317 (on 31 August 2021)

I wouldn't bet on it but we'll see. Platforms are a major part of licensing your IP because it determines what audience the title will reach. The 2 examples you give look like very calculated decisions, these things are thought through beforehand, it's not just publishers doing whatever they want with Disney's IPs.

Star Wars Hunter is a a mobile game not designed around console platforms . Switch is also a mobile device and makes for a natural port.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 is a low-budget, kid friendly entry getting the IP onto the Switch whilst PS/Xbox got the bigger budget Marvel's Avengers. Its part of a wider strategy, not just exclusivity for exclusivity's sake.

These titles are commissioned with the purpose of striking specific audiences that other titles may miss, its reads as more kind of a 360 strategy from Disney. I see no reason why Disney would want Indiana Jones as an Xbox Exclusive considering the smaller market share but similar audience to PS, +the likely hood that they saw Bethesda as a independent/Multiplatform publisher when the deal likely was signed or at least when talks began. The game was announced before the acquisition was completed.

It will be on Gamepass etc but full Xbox console exclusivity, very unsure on that one.

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The Fury Ka-pi96 (on 31 August 2021)

Dang, you made the joke before me. Apparently this obvious joke isn't one people liked. :P

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