Final Fantasy VIII Remastered Out Now - News

Yeah, control is my only real issue, but I put up with it in FF7 and FF9 so it's more an annoyance than a roadblock.

Wait, no rumble? Seems an odd thing to leave out. Any reason? I used to love the idea of putting the controller down during a GF summoning and forgetting it's going to go crazy on the table. :P

FFVII was fine, as they added analog which wasn't there before. FFIX was bad because you had to hold a button down in order to walk. Wtf? I actually haven't tried to walk in FFVIII yet I hope it's not like in IX.
And yeah, unfortunately for some reason they did not include ANY rumble function whatsoever. I don't get it...hopefully enough fans mention this to Square and they patch it in (same with the smooth analog control.)

@thefury but but.... If you put your controller down how did you press square 255 times during the summon? :O need that boost power

@Ganoncrotch Too true but the animation of the brothers summon was so long, I did the boost, put the controller down to go make a cup of tea and when I came back it's usually still going. :P

Brothers? :D Eden is legit over a minute and a half, you can pretty much go make a cup of tea... and drink it.

Never finished it. I liked it though.

Poroporo it's very important early to get your head around the GF and Junctioning stuff in the game, you'll make life so much easier for yourself and get a load more out of the game if you always have your GF's learning new useful spells and passives and then learning which GM's go best on which character as a team.

@Ganoncrotch Great advice, many people missed the smaller details of the GF stuff and junctioning, which was the whole magic system (many early people called it the draw system which is wrong). If you just left the GF to learn abilities by default you could miss out on some great stuff, the conversion abilities being the best, item to magic for example. But I think that was on design, if you want to just play the game, the default leveling of GFs is fine but if you want more, to experiment, then you need to teach the GFs properly and get them to learn abilities in the correct order.

Aye or giving a single character 2-3 GF's who all know how to Junction to HP and another character walking around with 3x Str Junctionable GF's.... durrr why isn't my team doing good damage?

GF Diabolos can learn the ability "No encounters" quite early in the game. That's why I don't understand the added global function "no encounters" in the remastered version.

Standing near gfs too long made them all forget their childhood friends existed. The same thing happens IRL..

That actually isn't the part that doesn't make sense. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's extremely stupid, but it's not illogical within the rules of the story.

The part that doesn't make sense about that part is the way Irvine handles it. I'm pretty sure in that situation, I'd have said something a lot sooner. Probably before I fired a sniper rifle at our surrogate mother.

Maybe she's the one who took away his Combat King magazines as a kid and hid them all over the world with her abilities to teleport things into walls?

Oooooo no... I've mixed up Irvine and Zell Doh!

User warned for this post.

Honestly I actually went to see the "censorship" dear lord the difference is, literally nothing, Siren's model looks far weirder where the scales only cover half her model and the Rinoa top change looks absolutely perfect for the HD remaster, it looks way too low in the other game and not in a sexy way.... more in a "if you put that in HD it will look like she has granny tats".

how is this censored?

Ganoncrotch: Siren and Rinoa were slightly altered, so it’s the end of the world for the outcry-centric crowd.

Basically, they mad because they can't jerk it to the pixellated Demi Moore bush Siren sported in the PS1 version. XD

Oh SanAndreasX that sounds like a challenge to me, I still remember my teenage years playing Super Street Fighter II man..... Cammy and ChunLi damn.

As for this being altered in 2019.... I mean... Squall has a face now rather than something that looks like a Picasso painting, are people annoyed that the abstract artwork of his mess of pixel face has been censored?

@Ganoncrotch They covered up some female models because people nowadays can't handle cleavage. As for your further comments remodelling the face is not the same. To give a comparison imagine if Mortal Kombat got remastered and Sonya's outfit was replaced with a full body suit. This is a similar situation and people are willing to excuse censorship while using shaming language.

"People can't handle cleavage" I mean... I just finished Senran Kagura Peach Ball where the objective is to bounce your (pin) Balls off girls until you smash their clothes off. I think games today have a hell of a lot more options to see bewbs than back when ff8 launched. 2 models getting changed to look arguably better in HD doesn't take away all the tits in video games... evidently.

@Ganoncrotch So you'd be OK if they remastered say Street Fighter 2 and altered Cammy's outfit to cover her butt?

The argument you present is a non-sequitur. Just because there are racy games out there like Senran Kagura (which are still getting censored thanks to companies like Sony), it doesn't excuse the censorship here. Not to mention that I never suggested that this particular censorship "takes away all the tits in video games" - that is a straw man argument. Square's ethics department, which is a censorship board decided to make these changes to cater to western sensibilities, so my statement remains true - they were censored because they think people can't handle fan service.

love people who use things like "non sequitur and straw man" while discussing something, really hits home that feeling that their arguments live solely on the internet as those words are very rarely if ever spoken but very often typed.

Anyway regarding your dire logic trail and internet arguing techniques all you're displaying here is your belief of a False dichotomy but you're ignoring every other model which was altered (literally all of them) to focus on the 2 which were altered in a way which cover some skin (I'm guessing Shiva remains the same since she hasn't been mentioned and she was pretty revealing in FF8 but you've left her out of this as she doesn't support the censorship bandwagon fallacy which has spread on a few sites online and you are repeating here)

You also criticism me for bringing up Senran... but go down the slippery slope argument path of "what if Street fighter launched with no ass's in it"

Not to mention the amount of pontification going on here to suggest that the alteration of these models was after some board meeting where the minutes of said meeting was "people can't handle fan service" As they discuss bringing out a 20 year old game just to service the fans of said 20 year old game. That's your opinion of what has gone on here, stop stating it as though that is A. A fact and B. The only reason for the model alteration, as I've said above, Rinoa's SD shirt does not look like it would translate well into HD because of the placement of the line across it, I genuinely think if you HD'd that model as it was it would look like her breasts were way too low on her body not unlike how they would look on an old lady who never wore a bra, the model needed updating, simple as that.

@Ganoncrotch I don't care if you like the terminology of the logical fallacies you used. They are a real thing regardless of your opinion of them. Do you want me to link their meanings or can you look for them yourself?

Yes, I'm focusing on the models they censored. There's no point in bringing up ones they didn't. This goes back to your lame comparison with remodelling Squall's face trying to make a false equivalence between all changes made.

"You also criticism me for bringing up Senran..." - I criticised you (that's the verb you are looking for), because you are bringing up a completely different game into the discussion.

"go down the slippery slope argument path of "what if Street fighter launched with no ass's in it"" - that was not a slippery slope argument - please look at the definition of the term (I'm starting to see why you don't like logical fallacies - you simply can't use them properly). I asked you a direct question about whether YOU would support censorship like that, but you avoided that for a second time in a row, which gave me my answer.

Do I honestly have to explain the term "fan service" to you? OK, it means "having lewd or risque elements to please the audience". It's not the same thing as servicing the fans by remastering a game.

Square do have a censorship board and while my speculation that these censorships were their doings can't be proven neither can your assertions about Rinoa's model - those are just your justifications to avoid calling it censorship. To use your standards - why didn't you provide an excuse for covering up Siren? Did her 3D model decide to grow a skirt? XD

Rinoa has a cleavage, but it’s seemingly not as deep as in the blurry original in-game model (yet is more in line with her CGI model) so people are up in arms over the lost inch of blurry low-polygonal boobs, and then there’s Siren, which was altered for some reason while Shiva is pretty much naked but wasn’t “censored”.

So the validity of the claims there’s been censorship is pretty questionable. But you can always count on “that kind of people” to find faults in pretty much everything no matter what.

Now, here’s something about fan-service, look up the sources yourself:

“Some believe that the prevalence of fan service indicates a lack of maturity within the fandom; an editor of Del Rey Manga joked that manga Negima! Magister Negi Magi, which contained fan service, should be rated as "for immature readers 16+" rather than for "mature readers 16+".

Sounds about right.

In bringing up Street fighter II you are jumping to another game away from the subject at hand and on top of that you are making that leap from "they've removed a line of pixels from FF8, so what about when they completely cover up Cammy's legs" that is the slope you want to imagine this action by Square could have on a game by capcom (which was already remastered this gen on the Switch, ass completely intact, don't worry!)

Done with this though, if you want to use this model change to excuse yourself for pirating the game or whatever this is about fine, but looking at the eshop and how FF8 is number 1 on the EU charts after just 2 days of sales means the "outrage" about this hasn't impacted the games sales a single bit, if anything actions like this probably shine more light on the updated models for people who were on the fence about buying it.

@Hynad Yes, thank you for describing yet again what was altered - that was very useful.

You can always also count on fanboys to defend bad practices in games, just because it's their favourite franchise.

Oh, no! You cited some guy that calls fan service immature! That totally justifies censorship. Lulz.

@Ganoncrotch Nope, still not a slippery slope argument. I asked you a QUESTION about a hypothetical scenario where 2 similar changes are made for a potential SF2 remaster, not a specific one that's already out. You avoided that question yet. I guess I could've asked you if you support that sort of censorship directly without bringing up an example, but at this point it's obvious that you do.

So you ignored all the arguments I made and decided to simply state that the game sold well like this is some sort of a justification that I'm wrong of being against the practice. Well, GTAV sold millions so I guess there's nothing wrong with the casino-like microtransactions they are pushing. Brilliant reasoning.

And thank you for turning around the fact that Shiva is still naked. Moreso than Siren ever was prior to the alteration, or how Rinoa’s model now looks in line with her CGI model.

And of course, only fanboys can possibly see this like that. Thank you and keep the outrage culture strong!

@Hynad Much like I said to other people in this very thread - why would I mention models that they didn't censor?

"only fanboys can possibly see this like that" - where have I said that? You may want to look at my post again. You suggested that there will always be people who find faults in anything and the obvious counter to that is that there are fanboys who will defend anything regardless of how bad of a change it is.

I'm not outraged - I just refuse to support censorship. It's called having principles.

Bunch of babies and your censorship. Get a life

@poroporo Ah! Ignorance. As expected.