Anonymous Issues Three Demands From Sony in Video - News
by VGChartz Staff , posted on 07 April 2011 / 7,474 ViewsAnonymous, the group of hackers that declared war on Sony earlier this week by taking down several of the company's sites including PlayStation.com and then began leaking personal details of several Sony employees onto public webpages, have released a video onto YouTube telling Sony what they want from them.
The video, which can be viewed below, starts off with "A Statement of Purpose" which explains to those watching why Anonymous are doing what they're doing. Later on in the video, Anonymous list their three demands which are that Sony allows user end modification; that Sony does not pursue legal action against any of the IP addresses that Sony have obtained and that Sony do not try to take anyone else who wishes "to alter a product they own" to court.
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Go Anonymous!! Kick Sony's arrogant ass!!!
Theconduit, you are greatly misinform. PSN is a separate product that require a separate agreement. It doesnt come with the purchase of your PS3. Its written on the PS3 box that the usage of PSN requires a separate agreement. No company has to sustain an online service if they say so. Even MMO provider can close their server and render their game completely unplayable.
All im saying is go against for the right reasons, being unable to play regular disc base game without removing Linux is a good reason to claim rights. Personally, as a legit consumer who use Linux, I would ask for a partial refund of my PS3 purchase. In order to compensate the loss of either Linux or the ability to play new games. PSN doesnt have anything to do with the issue at hand, the lawyers would laugh at your face.
@Killiana1a
I agree with what you are saying.
Also, Anon and geohot are a bunch of pussies parading in front of camera.
ssj12 said, "@Killian - NGP uses a modified Android OS... which is Linux. Owned much?"
First, this a juvenile response because:
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The NGP is not out yet.
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Sony could change the OS for the NGP from linux-based to another.
My reference to Linux was deeper than the "Linux" name. Linux as we all know is a free, open source OS where more savvy computer users employ it as their OS for a whole host of reasons.
My use of "Linux" was to contrast an open source system allowing for extensive user end modification vs. a closed system such as Microsoft Windows where user end modification is not as open as "Linux."
This being said, I fully believe the actions of geohot and Anonymous are going to result in the polar opposite of what they want and stand for.
Due to the actions of geohot and Anonymous, every OS for a console or hand-held is going to be closed and require some sort of registration in order to track those who are using the system for the intended purpose of entertainment vs. those who are hacking and tinkering with the system to send a political message in a juvenile manner.
@agreatflood2121 Linux has nothing to do with piracy. Piracy only started after Linux support was taken off. Also piracy on the PS3 started before Geohot jailbroke the PS3 but it was a paid service so people hardly knew about it.
Most of the people who want those features (like 70%) want them so they can pirate/torrent games. Which means they want to break the law.
I refuse to support anything that makes such a thing possible.
@IcyEdge
Starting with Red Dead Redemption's release, PS3 games required a system update to play any new software. So you have to choose between buying any new games and having access to Other OS. That's in addition to choosing between having access to PSN and Other Os.
SHOW EVERYONE THE ADS!!! :)
@AaronSOLDIER You cant generalize hackers as pirates also. If they were going after pirates they would not be arresting Geohot. Besides everyone is a pirate in some way whether it be music,games or movies. Do you know anyone in this day and age that does not have a DVD burner and blank DVDs on their computer desk?
You think Sony are just suddenly going to back down now? They've already spent a ton going after hackers they'll go all the way with this and its about time a company did go after the hackers and pirates Sony just seems to be the only one with the balls.
When you buy a PS3 you agree to the Terms and Conditions from Sony. There will likely be small print that allows Sony to change the Terms and Conditions and features provided from them at any point. Hacking the system beaks the terms and conditions you agree to and as such you are open to legal action
@NudeGazelle Hackers are not stupid people and Sony is underestimating them. One hacker proved he is smarter than their whole company and now they are sueing him for it.
Ehh, knowing /b/ chances are they could do A LOT worse than what's already happened.
@Icyedge Everyone buying the PS3 expected it to have an online service whilst being sony's active home console at least. Sony has a presumed contract with its customers f to provide an online service due to its actions and promises. Sony owes us an online service as customers. Your answer that they dont only means that it would be ok for them to shut down the PSN at any time. No
@Icyedge Everyone buying the PS3 expected it to have an online service whilst being sony's active home console at least. Sony has a presumed contract with its customers f to provide an online service due to its actions and promises. Sony owes us an online service as customers. Your answer that they dont only means that it would be ok for them to shut down the PSN at any time. No
Also the hacker community saw it as an insult to their intelligence when Sony said they removed it for security reasons. You cant fool people that know what Linux is capable and not capable of doing.
@Icyedge I dont think you understand. Less people with Linux on their PS3 = less exposure to linux and less people using programs on linux. The people that use linux on PS3 want as much people to use their software as possible so with sony announcing the feature they saw it as an opportunity. Not enabling the feature with firmware updates means less people exposed to their software.
@jordahn- the dead will rise before you see that ad lol
"but features and performance updates will be left out if you dont update. "
Sony isnt liable to have or keep an online service, let alone give you any kind of update. This isnt something you can use to demonstrate they are forcing you to remove Linux. With that said, if you need to remove Linux in order to play a regular PS3 disc base game its different. Maybe that's the case, I dont know.
You fail to answer another simple question. There are features on every console that are announced at every E3 yet there are no ads for them. What is your point and why do you think ads are the only way to advertise a feature. Why would Sony even want to waste money on ads when they already announced it and have websites on how to install it and use it to its fullest potential. Word of mouth is a form of advertisement and it worked well which is why so many people are against Sony for removing the feature they announced and removed later.
Where are the ads, kcoward? Where are the ads that advertised that pushed "Other OS" as a selling point? You have yet to produce them because they don't exist. There is technical info, and there is advertisement, both having different purposes. You haven't answered my question, you haven't produced any proof, yet you expect me to allow you to set me out by taking things out of context? Where are the ads?
@Icyedge I dont think there are any disc updates but features and performance updates will be left out if you dont update. Programmers also want as much people to use their software as possible and with Sony not enabling the feature anymore the people that are able to use it is limited.
@Jordahn You are still in limbo at this point. Let me own you with another question. Are you saying no one bought the PS3 because of Linux support after Sony announced it?
Kcoward, you still fail to provide proof that SONY used "Other OS" as a selling point = your argument holds NO water.
I have an honest question, which regular disc base game requires you to upgrade firmware and remove Linux in order to play it?
You still fail to answer the question but at least you acknowledged that Sony did announce it and added support for it later on. People bought it because of that reason and felt betrayed when it was removed. I made my point by stating a simple fact so there is no need to explain anything to you anymore. You have already displayed enough ignorance and you continue to put yourself in limbo with a pointless argument.
I never said SONY never said those things. A company announcing technical features is not an exclusive means of advertising. Are you saying that SONY advertised "Other OS" in advertisements as a feature of the PS3 such as backwards compatibility, Blu-ray Playback, the games, card readers, HDMI, optical output, Ethernet, surround sound, built in hard drive, USB, Cell, Sixaxis, playstation store, readable discs, and health issues. Where are those ads?
I will ask the question again cause it seems you are either not intelligent enough to understand it or you are either trying to draw attention away from it. Are you saying that Sony never said they are adding Other OS support and added it to the PS3 after?
The two links are not advertisement. They are sources leading to technical information. Not all tech info for any product is always advertised, and that includes "other OS" of the PS3. Look who is ignoring fact. Not I.
@Jordahn I already posted 2 links. Are you saying that Sony never said they are adding Other OS support and added it to the PS3 after? The answer to that question will determine if you are going to ignore facts and be biased.
Please show us the ads that SONY released to the general public as a selling point. SONY advertised backwards compatibility, Blu-ray Playback, the games, card readers, HDMI, optical output, Ethernet, surround sound, built in hard drive, USB, Cell, Sixaxis, playstation store, readable discs, and health issues, but NO OTHER OS. Fact.
Kcoward, you have still failed to provide any proof that SONY advertised the PS3 with "other OS" as a selling point. Not on online ads, brochures, on the box, etc. At best, it was third parties that advertised that feature to help sell the PS3 at their particular retail business, NOT SONY. Again, SONY did not force anyone to upgrade the PS3 firmware. If it's worth the other features to upgrade, that was their choice, NOT SONY's. And let's not single out SONY. Companies pulling support for certain features are common place and are usually within their legal right to do so when they felt needed to. These are the facts (and there are more) that proves that you are just making one-sided excuses to justify your hate for SONY.
@Jordahn The PS3 was already released and they announced it after. Other OS support was already on PS3 and Sony took it off. Do you even know what youre talking about? Sony did not force anyone to upgrade their firmware but if you dont upgrade your firmware you miss out on other features and you cant play games that way. Why is it so hard to understand that Sony messed up? Why are you so desperate to prove a point that you obviously cant? Other OS was a selling pelling point cause Sony announced it and people bought it for that reason its that simple. Youre the only one denying obvious facts here. I suggest you do some research on the situation cause you are clueless as is the case with most people here.
SONY also announced that the PS3 will have 2 HDMI ports, but later downgraded to one. Until a product has been released, specs are ALWAYS subject to change. So when the PS3 was finally released, "Other OS" was NOT advertised as a selling point And you continue to ignore the fact that SONY did NOT force anyone to upgrade their firmware to remove "Other OS." Find all the excuses you need to continue the hate. It continues to put anon in a bad light for being overly irrational.
@Jordahn Sony themselves said it at an E3 press conference. Thats advertising cause apparently people bought it for that reason and used it for that reason. Sony took it off and the people that paid $600 wasted their money. I guess its their fault they didn't have the ability to see into the future back then and not buy the PS3.
LOL Wow this is too much
You're comparing party chat that's utilized in the 360's biggest, most important, and most successful feature which is Xbox Live which you have to pay a yearly fee to the very small percentage of "Other OS" users which came included with the PS3 without an extra fee while these users were not obligated to have "Other OS" removed...?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
@gimgak: None of the updates are required for the PS3. Is there any reason why it was necessary for the Air Force to update past the point where Linux was removed? No? I didn't think so, and I highly doubt they did.
MS doesn't advertise party chat, if it was removed there would be a shit storm
advertising something or not doesn't mean it is a feature that should be removed. they released it, then took it away with NO plans on it returning.
@kcoward finding the feature in an encylopedia or a how to guide is hardly advertising, but I get your point it was a feature and then it was removed. It was bad and probably shouldn't have been done, Sony's reason satisfied most gamers, and yeah I know I am being ignorant just because it's a majority doesn't make it right. lol keep talking you may cause me to switch sides. I doubt it though Sony is protecting my gaming experienced. selfish of me yes but there are alternatives for the minority (including just not updating the console prior to that update). PS3 is the only place I can get the likes of Uncharted, Infamous and Killzone.
@gimgak I doubt that paid any attention to updates as they were for games not the other OS. the air force likely takes them a part and rebuilds them how they please as well.
Ok, kcoward. Could you please tell me if the links you provided was SONY advertising this feature or was it via "third party" such as "word of mouth?"
Personally Im happy people like annon exist. It brings me joy and hope that, the goverment can't totaly regulate us and control how and what we do. If there is no chance of the Goverment to lose control, Corruption breads. And it has alot.
There is a hole lot of Generation Y out there with 0 oppertunity cause there simply are none.
The Babyboomers have lived out there amazing lives and now are at there final 20 years on earth and have made a big mess of thing's but why should they care. they wont have to live with the problems.
They Lived out the economic Boom lived in a era there was 5 jobs for 1 person. Ya its easy to start a company when you already have 5 people willing to pay for your service even befor you start your company. Makes geting a loan alot easyer.
Now a days were 7 trying to get 1 shity job that pays minimum wage.
Theres 300 applying to a good job. Ya that make's alot of down pressure on salaries dont you think?
Hey If this guy can Jailbreak a fucking PS3 and mod the hell out of it. The real question we should be asking is. Why is he not working at his own company making 100K a year?
We have millions of Brilliant Generation Y's siting at home doing jack. There could be 100 000 Bill gates out there and will never know, cause there are so many regulations and Taxs and BS and unfair advanteges they wont let us shine threw and make our lives a success.
I can sum up my hole adult life to date as: Waiting for the Babyboomers to stop working.
Ill be over the hill by the time that happens. Fucking BS
Chevy even admited the reason it was failing is they figuered all Gen Y would own a car by now. How the hell do you want us to own a car with no money?You want to fix the Economie you take all that money they gave to chevy and the banks and all the other Fat Babayboomers that dont give a shit about us and you fund Gen Y Company's like this dude. simple.
Look I think the goverment can find sectors with low supply and fund to build company's to fill the demand. That what our Colleges need to be doing. Collesges and Universities should be a breading grownd for companys. not the BS scam it is now.
If all your worried about is how your little PS3 gaming life is disrupted, then I envy you. Cause Being Ignorent is a blessing in this totaly Fucked up world.
Like Kurt Cobain once said..
I wish I was like you Easy to amuse.
sorry For my rant guys.. I had a heavy load to drop today.
Sony fucked over the air force by removing other OS which is the only thing they used, you realize Sony stole your tax dollars? Typical americans root for corporations instead of their own country. idiots
Yeah it was mentioned but was it brought up that one time or were they constantly bringing it up? I'm not trying to be a douche or anything but if they were bragging about it over and over again then I would say you are right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS
read under HISTORY, for other OS information.....
Everyone has Google.com. Sony anounced it a little while after the PS3 launch. Just because its not in a tv or radio add does not mean its not advertising. They made official statements but just to prove my point out of fun ill post a link or 2.
http://www.ps3linux.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS
Linux didn't cause the hacking, other OS protected sony, with other OS the people who hacked got what they wanted, but were unable to use the game processor, only the other ones,( this meant no PS3 games) some tried to bypass this sure, but the majority of people who cared got what they wanted, linux on PS3,
function removed, with in months it was cracked... previously though unbeatable...
I agree with Xbbjf9s, Kcoward. It's not hard to do a Google search for a link for an image.
@Killian - NGP uses a modified Android OS... which is Linux. Owned much?
sigh, it's called sarcasim. However a link with an ad made by sony would be nice.
Yeah ill find a PS3 box and fax it to you......Asking for physical evidence over the internet is pointless.
This all could have been avoided back in 2006. If Sony played it like Microsoft in creating a closed system with no user end modification, no Linux, and a fee for play PSN to track those who are on PSN legitimately as opposed to those like Anonymous who are out to make a juvenile power play.
I would agree with them on "altering a product they own" if it was not connected to a free play network such as PSN where one could alter the "product they own" in order to cause harm to PSN or others.
For example, I have no problem with owners of automobiles modifying their vehicle. This being said, there is already an extensive legal system and regulations in place to put sensible limits on vehicle modifications such as no monster trucks or monster truck tires on the roads except in limited circumstances and limits on how many windows can be tinted.
If anything Geohot and Anonymous have guaranteed us consumers this going forward:
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Linux or an open system like it will never be available as a platform for any video game console.
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Closed systems
- Fee for play like Xbox Live in order to track customers
kcoward, I don't recall SONY advertising the option of "Other OS" for the PS3. Just because something is a feature doesn't mean it was advertised. Could you please point to an ad or the description on the packaging that says so?
lol find me a ps3 box and ad that advertises it and I will admit that I am wrong. When this whole OS crap started I went back and checked my 40 gig box....saw no mention of other OS.
usrevenge, anon stopped because they were... attacking user services which offended the users which that failed to protect the users. How do you protect users be attacking what they used? Oh, then Prolexic Technologies stepped in. Anon = Fail. That's why they stopped.
Ohh really? they didnt advertise a feature they put on their product? Let me guess it was Bill gates that snuck in and installed it on every PS3 without Sony knowing. I smell a conspiracy, Microsoft is behind this.....
@kcoward- lol really? How so?
Wow, now they are making demands, I don't know what to call these guys except a terrorist group, no joke.
@usrevenge you do know the update was not mandatory and the US defence department can still run Linux if that is even what they are running. I don't remember anywhere Sony saying you can't run your own software either. the problem of course is doing it, but it's not illegal.
@kcoward I don't believe the feature was advertised.
@Xbbjf9s No one needs to insult you. What you just typed there is evidence of pure ignorance.
with them? no,
support them hell yes.. how are they affecting you? they stopped attacking user services.
@usrevenge- I dunno man but you will find yourself banned if you continue with insults.
As for linux I understand that people can use a pc for that and i'm pretty sure most if not all hackers have a computer. Other OS was not advertised as a feauture of the system and when they realised it was a security issue they removed it. Say that geohot really wanted to use it for homebrew, he released the code and now cheaters are running wild fucking with peoples mw2 accounts and such, so who is protecting the honest gamer? It sure as hell ain't geo is it?
I'm also pretty sure that sony and the us airforce have made arrangments to deal with that, so that really isn't an issue.
@usrevenge
Are you with them? They have now affected us because they want to do illegal things.
@xbbjf9s- how else would i explain complete stupidity?
The mod and hacker community Doesn't support piracy, doesn't support cheating in games, they just want to run their own software on the system, that they purchased. EVERY console has been hacked, but PS3 is making a fuss over it because they were beaten at their own game, and piracy on PS3 is much harder to detect than on 360 apparently. geohot and other hackers wanna run linux, make their own programs ect, even the US defense department uses PS3's linked into a super computer, when sony did this update they can't do that anymore because they can't run their own software.
Sony fanboys are so stupid. The video clearly explained that Sony removed a feature that was advertised when they bought the PS3. I give the hackers support for what they are doing and im glad you ignorant idiots can show your true colours here. I love my PS3 but Sony knew what was coming to them when they removed Linux. They cant even hire a decent hacker to help them secure the PS3 cause none wants to work with them because of their latest lies and scare tactics they try to pull.
@usrevenge- You should try to comment without with resorting to insults.
I like how they use Guy Fawkes mask, that's pretty cool. But I don't support them
love morons who comment not understanding the mod/hack community. I wish them luck as always as long as it doesn't get out of hand...
The 3 things that the Anonymous guys are asking is already respected.
"Sony allows user end modification; that Sony does not pursue legal action against any of the IP addresses that Sony have obtained and that Sony do not try to take anyone else who wishes "to alter a product they own" to court."
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They arent suein Geohot for user end modification
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They cant pursue legal action against the IP adress collected, the judge have already rule that out when agreeing to the subpoena. It was probably not in the intention of Sony anyway.
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They arent taking anyone to court for modifying his product.
"Judge Joseph C. Spero said the information subject to Sony's subpoena “shall be provided on an Attorneys' Eyes Only basis” and is limited to information relating to whether Hotz has enough ties to Northern California to be sued in federal court in that district."
Ps3 is fast becoming the console that is cool to hate.
interesting. will be fun to watch this play out, especially seeing as many people underestimate these guys.
@Night565: "You should be able to do what you want with a system you own."
Erm..Sony isn't preventing you from doing what you want to the system you own.
@kain_kusanagi: "If you buy something it is your property and you can modify it as you wish."
Agreed. And again, Sony isn't preventing you from modifying the property you bought.
See kids...the key point that you are both failing to understand (or accept as fact) is that YOU DON"T OWN THE FIRMWARE CODE. You were granted a limited Right To Use license from Sony for the firmware/OS when you bought the PS3 (the physical hardware, which you DO own, by the way) and/or login to PSN.
You don't own the firmware, Sony does. It's legally and rightfully theirs. You are only legally allowed to USE it as intended and delivered by Sony. This action against Geohot is simply Sony defending their rights as copyright holders of the firmware/OS, like any sane business is supposed to do.
Now, can we all dispense with the tired old bullsh*t line that Sony is preventing you from modifying YOUR property?
Thanks.
what a bunch of a$$holes and i hope they all get caught and all go to jail for over 10 years and longer if i had my way. i dont think anyone has the right to do anything they want to a game system they buy, change the look of the system through colors and stuff like that are fine. but if u get your game system modded then u are doing it for one reason, piracy and in which case u are robbing the game companies of making a living. i hope sony goes after these punks very hard.
Sony is not going after all the people who downloaded from Geohut, i don't even think they could of won the case against Geohut. Again why do this could get the FBI in this or get congress to make tougher internet laws (like Obama's 3 strike law).
Pointless really if Geohut think he was innocent then fight it in court. They're just making things worst now not just Sony hates then everyone who owns a PS3 hates them too.
@badgenome Good One XD
Demands are actually reasonable, they probably wont succeed, but i kind wish they would. You should be able to do what you want with a system you own. Now as for piracy, they can sue for that, but not moding a console.
That's gay.
Oh boy, a bunch of 4channers got tired of crying about Minecraft and decided to go for the big boys. Frankly, I hope they get what they deserve. Since its been many of them who caused a lot of the best games this gen to have bad sales by pirating.
If you buy something it is your property and you can modify it as you wish. The only thing Sony should be able to do is deny service such as warranty and online services. Can you imagine if Dell sold PCs that only let you use Dell authorized software? Ridicules right?
Every console in the history of console gaming has been hacked or "jailbreak". The PSone and PS2 and the PSP were all hacked. The Xbox 360 and Wii have been hacked, the original Xbox was hacked big time with support for Linux and everything. Sony didn't seem to have trouble keeping the PS2 alive after it was hacked so why do they all of a sudden think the PS3 is in peril?
Sony should be more concerned about online cheaters and pirates than hackers and home-brewers. Tighten up security, but don't sue a guy for legally modifying his own property.
With that said, I don't support Anonymous either. Just because what Sony is doing is ethically wrong doesn't mean you can do ethically or illegal things in turn. Protest and donations to support a cause are moral and legal, attacking websites with destructive tactics and issuing threats is not the way to go about protesting even Sony's unethical actions.
Anonymous looks pathetic here. Cry me a river punk. Prosecute these fools as terrorists! Nothing Sony has done gives them the right to break the law. Geohotz is a punk criminal, enabling piracy and distributing the keys is clearly illegal and immoral. The masses do not support Anonymous on this. Their actions and methodologies make them nothing more then glorified cowards and cry babies.
It wasn't advertised. If you looked it up, you could find out that the PS3 could use Linux, but Sony really never advertised it.
Waaaa waaa waaa buncha cry babies.
I keep hearing the arguement that they took away "advertised" features, as in OS. Where was this ever advertised, it wasnt advertised on the packaging anywhere, nor did I ever see it in any tv/internet adds.
the demands are reasonable, do it Sony, NOW!
What a bunch of self-righteous pricks... Making threats and demands. Shouldn't this be classed as some sort of terrorist action, albeit a harmless one?
Sony responded by issuing three demands to Anonymous:
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Leave the house.
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Get a life.
- Get laid.
These guys are retared giving demands.
...bitches
That Sony allows user end modification
If we are talking software they might as well ask Sony to give away games for free. Hardware, go ahead just make sure you don't breach terms of service (particular the continued use of game OS with a modified console) and don’t continue to use psn and its services. Sony still owns PSN and its servers, and has every right to ban you from using it.
That Sony does not pursue legal action against any of the IP addresses that Sony have obtained
Is it really a crime to watch a video on you tube. The downloading of the CFW... need to think about it a bit. The point of acquiring the address was to prove how much harm George Hotz has caused to Sony, not to hunt down these people. I will be just as annoyed as most if they did use them to hunt these people down.
That Sony do not try to take anyone else who wishes "to alter a product they own" to court.
Doesn’t really matter if they alter there products, the problem is if they breach the copyrights of Sony if they release a CFW with the Playstation game OS intact. along with a lot of other things Sony is suing him for non of which to my knowledge is the actual hacking of his hardware. you want to alter it and install Windows or Linux I don't see any reason why you can't.
So Sony can comply with anonymous's demands and to my knowledge has so far. I am happy to hear counter arguments please.
bunch of pathetic losers lol.
And if Sony doesn't comply what exactly are they going to do? Try to take down Playstation.com again? I swear, these people must be stupid or something.
You don't get to make demands when your attacks fail
Look at the lame asses in the back that didn't get the proper masks. What a couple of douche bags.