Temtem Launches for PS5 in 2021 - News

It's pretty good. I played through the first few weeks at launch and had a blast.

Idk. Looks kind of ugly to me... Like less than half of the amount of Pokemon before even accounting for ones that are transferable through home. Animations are much worse. I've heard mixed things about the integration of the mmo features, and that the story is mostly grinding through an unnecessary number of trainer battles, and as far as I know is still literally incomplete. There are some potentially interesting changes to the Pokemon formula, but the metagame is far too young to know if these changes will actually be good or bad.

A lot of people didn't like Pokemon Sword, and are trying to hype up a pseudocompetitor, but it seems like all the things people complained about Pokemon Sword doing poorly, this game does even worse. Of course, it's unrealistic to expect an early access game to better than a completed project from a dev who has been doing this for about 20 years... but you're the one who made that bold claim...

Yeah, I don’t think so. This game has a long ways to go before it’s a contender. Right now it looks like an off brand Pokemon, and while Sw/Sh weren’t perfect I’ve enjoyed them a lot.

I feel like a lot of the people praising this game are like the people who bring their new partner around their ex to make them jealous... even though the new partner is clearly a step down.

Why would you insult the people praising this game, just because you think it's hot garbage doesn't automatically make it an objective truth, jesus christ.

This was the same cringe reaction that I saw over On Nintendo life's forum when Hakko life was announced and the sheer childish snobbery some users gave out was just pathetic.

Nintendo isn't fucking everything, nor are they cream of the crop either, certainly not when you look at CEMU BotW compared to the Switch/Wii U versions, nah, that mantle has long since passed onto others.

I didn't insult everyone who praises the game. But a large share of the comments I've seen for it don't actually point to anything it does well so much as they bash Pokemon. Look into it yourself, and see if you agree.

I didn't say it was hot garbage, or that my opinion was an objective truth, so chill. I pointed out the reasons, based on what I've found out from looking in the game, that I think this doesn't come close to Pokemon Sword and Shield in quality. I'm not about to drop 35 dollars on a beta game with basically no reviews from sources I trust, so for now I can just go on what I know. If you've played the game and know some things I don't, then feel free to let me know what you think of it.

I actually didn't say the game was ugly compared to Pokemon. I just said it looked ugly. It looks washed out, and these creatures are neither cute nor cool. If the trailer is showing off the best move animations, then animations are pretty basic.

But again... this is kind of my point. People aren't actually saying anything positive about this game, just saying negative things about Pokemon. Even if Pokemon Sword sucked (I don't think it did but w/e) this doesn't become good by default.

But people have already said positive things about this game since it launched on PC. You can't just assume everyone is bashing Pokemon and not praising what good this game does, as well as it's art style, absolutely everywhere on the net.

Again, I didn't say everyone, I said a lot of people. And based on what I've seen, that's true. I'm not assuming everyone is bashing Pokemon, but many of the comments I see just point out things people don't like about Pokemon Sword or generally bash the game without explaining why Tem-tem is good or better. And even with the comments in this article, you can kind of see that.

As for the art style, I really don't think it looks good. Mainly, I just don't think the monster designs are very good or endearing.

Well when you think about it, a lot isn't everyone, and everyone tends to outweigh a lot, so it's not really a big deal at the end of the day.

It's just another game taking the same approach, but adding their own spin to it, just like Hakko life is doing.

I see many comments on Nintendo life bashing both this and Hakko life, what's the point?.

I quite like the art style, because it brings some vibrancy and unique angles to the table. It's why I think Rare's new game looks absolutely beautiful, because that game also features nice colour pallets and a nice art style.

Plenty of reasons why pokemon isn't impressive (keep in mind i played both games at around March and temtem is constantly being improved)
1) Pokemon sword/shield looks like a 3ds port
2) The wild area is just big empty fields
3) Combat super reliant on super effective moves and is extremely one dimensional, I can 1 shot the other pokemon with super effective every turn. This is not fun and has stayed the same for over 20 years.
4) Game lags in the wild area, probably like 15-20 fps.
5) Controversy surrounding dexit, then charging money for dlc containing older pokemon.
6) Controversy about new animations when they weren't new

Well... that's kind of exactly my point. You're just rattling off things you don't like about Sword/Shield (which I'm not really going to argue about right now), not actually showing that Tem Tem is better or even particularly good.

Like... ok you didn't like how some Pokemon were removed from the game. If that's important to you and made you decide not to buy Sword, perfectly legit decision. Tem Tem also doesn't have those Pokemon, and has a far smaller amount overall.

Even if I did hate Pokemon Sword, I don't think this game is very appealing.

@Chazore I know a lot isn't everyone which is why I didn't say everyone. Also didn't say it was a huge deal, sometimes people comment on things that aren't a big deal.

People are bashing this game on Nintendo Life for the same reason that a lot of people are using it as an opportunity to bash Pokemon. People have their biases. I myself lean more towards Pokemon fans. So, I'm a bit biased too, but I think this is objectively worse than Pokemon in many ways. Again, this is a small indie title, so it's not like it should be better than Pokemon, but I think those saying it's better are biased in the other direction.

As for the art style, I don't think it looks good.

Anyway that's all I'm gonna say about it. If anyone legitimately thinks this looks like a great game, then go tame em all.

You know he's listing those sort of things that aren't exactly the same in Tem Tem, right?.

I stopped at Sun/Moon because the series became so damn hand holding at that point, and the issues he's listed I share when it comes to S/S as well. This is why Tem Tem felt like a breath of fresh air, and some Ninty fans seem to really hate the idea that another game like it can exist.

Yeah, it's fine that you don't find it appealing, but can we cut around the bush and stop with the "it's crap so says I, but stop hating on Pokemon"?, it's like a mirror argument at this point.

Right okay, so you're going to go from "w'ere all biased" to "it looks objectively worse", even though it's entirely being said in your own opinion?.

Come on man. This is just a straight up defence mechanism at this point.

You don't like the game, we don't like how aged Pokemon has gotten, hence why we see this as something fresh and new, that's all it's gonna be at the end of the day. I'd rather this game succeed to new levels, to then force Pokemon's hand to change for the better, rather than a few fans willing it to be complacent.

Oy, I wanted to move on... But can you please stop putting words in my mouth? Like... when I say a lot, I don't mean everyone, when I say "it is objectively worse in many ways" I don't mean "it looks objectively worse", and I at no point said it's crap, or hot garbage. I didn't even say I didn't like this game. It's in beta with no real reviews, so I'm not going to buy it at this point, so I can't assess its quality beyond what I can see from trailers/videos. Since what I actually say doesn't seem especially relevant, I'm not a necessary participant here.

I'm not even talking about the "everyone" part anymore, I moved on from that some time ago. I'm on about the part about your opinion vs objectivity and defending an old franchise here.

When you say objective, it's what it says on the tin, you can't just change what the word means or what it's value is.

It's been reviewed by people since it's release and it's had Steam reviews for months now.

No one is going to force you to buy it, and it sounded from the start like you weren't interested in buying it anyway, so I don't get why you felt like mentioning that.

I don't get why you felt the need to make mention of the game if you say you're not a participant in this. Like if it was just down to only defending an old franchise, well that itself seems weird, because it's a franchise still adored by millions and it doesn't harm the brand when someone points out it's shortcomings (which it very much does).

Why i think temtem is better
1) The developers listen to the community, for example they have a discord.
2) Combat is actually challenging, stamina system means you can't spam the same skills again and again and you actually have to think about which moves to use when and why, also synergy with your other temtem is important since battles are 2 vs 2, so one temtem might boost a certain skill of another temtem etc.
3) Animations are far superior, especially when your temtem evolves.
4) Online capabilities aren't even comparable, in temtem you can trade and battle with them or even co-op, it embraces playing with others.
5) They are adding temtems with each update for free since the game is in early access, I think there are 100 so far although yes pokemon does have more since its an established franchise.
6) It's cheaper than pokemon (at least in my country).
7) It's multiplatform
8) The writing is superior

But the game was quite grindy (at the time) maybe they have changed that and i also think generally pokemon look cooler.

I mentioned everyone because it's part of the pattern.

I said it's objectively better in many ways. And it is. It objectively has more than 4x as many Pokemon available (last I checked it doesn't seem they plan to add more till the retail release). People thought this was too few. And for those saying it's the fact that they took out Pokemon who had been in previous games, well they ain't in Temtem either.

Temtem's story is still incomplete. Which is objectively worse than complete. As of now according to howlongtobeat it's also shorter, for those who think length is relevant.

Temtem has lots of buts. Check out Crema's twitter and you'll see how often they're replying to bug reports.

Temtem is always online regardless of whether you're doing singleplayer or multiplayer. Judging by the number of tweets they get about not being able to access the servers, this is still a major issue. And since everything is online, sometimes servers just wipe a few hours of progress.

Not gonna say Pokemon has great textures, but look at the grass in battle. It's like literally just strips of green. I'm not sure these qualify as textures.

So, yes, objectively better in many ways, to the point where I seriously question anyone who claims this is far better than Sword and Shield. I don't trust user reviews. The only review from a source I trust is IGN who gave it a 7. And I just trust them here because they own humble bundle and have no reason to be biased against the game.

As for why I commented, that's really irrelevant. If you have actual reasons present them. If you're just going to question how I choose to spend my time, please don't.

@Bigboss

1. Listening to the community is great if they actually incorporate that and it makes a better game... but really them having a discord doesn't directly impact my experience. Considering they promised this game would come to PS4 in their kickstarter and it isn't, I'm not sure how much community relations is a strength. This is literally something they promised to their community that they're not delivering on. And the game's still coming out on Switch, so their explanation of wanting to take advantage of next gen systems is kind of sketchy.
   

2. I can't really comment on this since I haven't played it. 2v2 is a format in Pokemon though. I prefer 1v1 in Pokemon, but definitely wouldn't mind seeing more 2v2 in the campaign.
   
   What's most important to me in terms of gameplay is the PVP metagame, and this early on it's impossible to tell how it will play out with the game in its current state.
   

3. If the animations for moves in the trailer are the best they have, I think the moves in Pokemon look better in general. Obviously some move animations in Pokemon are just like they didn't bother. But the moves you'll actually use often look nicer than these. For instance look at Cinderace's Pyro Ball. Looks better than anything I see here. Of course, this is just based on what was shown in the trailers, and some other videos, but I'm assuming they're showing the best stuff in the trailers. As for evolution animation, that's just something that never really struck me as important considering, but if that's an important factor to you then I guess.
   

4. I would need to know more about their online modes, but considering how archaic Pokemon is, I don't doubt Temtem would be better. Always on sucks though.
   

5. Well, in that case, Pokemon is clearly better in this regard. Maybe that will change in the future, but as of now, if you care about the number of monsters, Pokemon is definitely the way to go.
   

6. Cheaper is good. But based on the price I think it's less value as of now. Is the full release going to be the same price as early access?
   

7. It's actually not multiplatform atm. It's only on PC. And... they just cancelled two versions, so let's not count are chickens before they hatch. Obviously, if you don't have a Switch Temtem is the way to go by default, but I wouldn't say that has anything to do with the quality of the game.
   

8. Can't say based on the writing. Not like Pokemon's writing is great, so quite possible.
   
   Based on that and other factors, always online requirement, server access issues, bugs, etc., do you really think it's fair to say this puts Pokemon to shame, in its current state?
   
   And again, I don't think not being as good as Pokemon makes it bad. That's not a reasonable expectation for a small indie game in early access. I just can't really see how this game as it is is not only better than Sword, but according to a lot of people, much better.

Right, so we've definitely moved from subjective defence to the objective defence pattern. This is where I sense high tension at this time.

The game is still in ea stages of course, but I'm not sure why it's fair to just trample an ea game, but not a AAA franchise that comes with it's low res textures, cutting out features, locking mere moving of mons to an online bank that costs money (who's fucking bright idea was that, really?).

They decided to design the game around being always online, like how any MMO could technically be asked of being offline, but it was chosen to being an online one instead. I imagine in time Pokemon will do this, as Nintendo is catching up with online based gaming.

I'm not sure why now you've decided to go check out the game for bug reports. I thought you had lacking interest for this game, or was the research brought up in lieu of defence for Pokemon? (it just seems off that you choose to do this now of all times).

I don't really trust website reviews either these days, not since IGN and the "too much water" review, or PCGamer trying to score brownie points with some AAA devs who made mediocre port jobs, and we've seen how some reviewers act like on twitter, they're all human like us, entirely capable of not being trustworthy, being heavily biased and some just not getting to the sodding point in their reviews.

I questioned your participation, because I wanted to know if there was actual interest in this game, other than "game I like is being insulted, I must protect it at all costs".

Like dude, I fucking love C&C as a franchise, but you know what people love more?, turn based games and RTS gets shat all over all the time, for decades, and yet I'm still here, still playing and loving the genre. It's not by best pal, but it's something I like to play.

My point was that Pokemon is objectively better in many ways. The fact that it is not buggy is a way in which Pokemon is objectively better. Instead of actually addressing the point, you're questioning my motivation.

Even if I'm actually a bot designed specifically to defend Pokemon, that doesn't change the validity of anything I said. It seems like your far more interested in my personality that then the actual point (whether it is reasonable to say Temtem puts Pokemon to shame). While I'm flattered at your interest, that's not a conversation I'm interested in.

The reason I'm questioning you being here, is because I want to know why, because outside of talking about objectivity, it's more or less a reason to defend a franchise vs a new upcoming game.

Why do or should I need to address the point of objectivity here?.

I don't think you're a bot, I just think you're a tad sensitive to a lifeless (it's not a human) product being judged against another that appeals to some folk who previously liked the former franchise.

Yes, I can tell what you want out of this pushing the point aspect, but I'm not one to give it to you (because I frankly think it's wrong, and you don't like that, hence why you're pushing me back to your objectivity point).

Again, I see nothing wrong with this newcomer game showing up Pokemon's shortcomings here and there. Once it's out of ea, we'll see how further the devs take the game, and then some.