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Phil Spencer Wants Industry to Support Legal Emulation to Make it Easier to Play Older Games

Phil Spencer Wants Industry to Support Legal Emulation to Make it Easier to Play Older Games - News

by William D'Angelo , posted on 17 November 2021 / 2,338 Views

Microsoft's latest video game consoles, the Xbox Series X and Series S, are able to play every Xbox One, minus the Kinect titles, as well as hundreds of Xbox 360 and original Xbox games. 

Head of Xbox Phil Spencer talking with Axios has called for the video game industry to support legal emulation to make it easier to play older games without the need to own older hardware. 

"My hope (and I think I have to present it that way as of now) is as an industry we'd work on legal emulation that allowed modern hardware to run any (within reason) older executable allowing someone to play any game," said Spencer.

Spencer added, "I think we can learn from the history of how we got here through the creative. I love it in music. I love it in movies and TV, and there's positive reasons for gaming to want to follow."

Phil Spencer Wants Industry to Support Legal Emulation to Make it Easier to Play Older Games

There is work to do, but Spencer hopes the industry can get to the point where anybody can buy any game or own any game and continue to play it.

"I think in the end, if we said, 'Hey, anybody should be able to buy any game, or own any game and continue to play,' that seems like a great North Star for us as an industry."


A life-long and avid gamer, William D'Angelo was first introduced to VGChartz in 2007. After years of supporting the site, he was brought on in 2010 as a junior analyst, working his way up to lead analyst in 2012. He has expanded his involvement in the gaming community by producing content on his own YouTube channel and Twitch channel dedicated to gaming Let's Plays and tutorials. You can contact the author at wdangelo@vgchartz.com or on Twitter @TrunksWD.


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40 Comments
mjk45 (on 17 November 2021)

it can be summed up with the words "it would benefit us"

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Chazore mjk45 (on 18 November 2021)

Not wrong there, dude is targeting all the areas Sony isn't (what any smart businessman seeking to make money and earn brownie points would do).

Edit: some folks are dense to this sort of practice, but that's not my problem.

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KLAMarine mjk45 (on 18 November 2021)

If it benefits them and the consumer, what's the problem?

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mjk45 KLAMarine (on 18 November 2021)

I have no problem with a pro emulation stance what I do have a problem with is the altruistic representation ,so I was just pointing out how much easier it is to say and do things that would ultimately benefit you.

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KLAMarine mjk45 (on 19 November 2021)

The big three do things to benefit themselves all the time.

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mjk45 KLAMarine (on 19 November 2021)

Yes they do but I was responding to this particular article. and the way it was presented.

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Jumpin (on 17 November 2021)

He is free to do that with his own properties - this is clearly rhetoric against Sony and Nintendo. He likely draws the line conveniently at the Xbox launch or around it. I support creators doing what they want with their creations. If Phil Spencer thinks games on older consoles should be legal to emulate, he can make that happen with his own properties; but he won’t.

Legal enforcement of copyright and trademark rights is already pitiful - and it’s heavily weighed against creators in many countries. Companies have to legally enforce their own trademark ownership or lose the rights to them. But, I think it would be a lot worse if the governments forced companies to give up ownership of their creations so that random people can just pick them up and sell them on other platforms despite having no investment in their ownership or creation.

I believe emulation is legal for any old software with expired trademarks and copyright. I support legal abandonware, if it’s not legal in some countries. But if someone creates a product or pays for the license, they own it, and have a right to be compensated.

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scrapking padib (on 17 November 2021)

He said legal emulation. So someone who owns the game. How does that hurt Nintendo? I also think you mischaracterize what he said. He said it's his wish, and you characterize that as his demanding it?!

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scrapking padib (on 18 November 2021)

I agree with you that his recent comments on Elder Scrolls VI came across as corporate double-speak to me, and left me scratching my heads.

And yes, trying to emulate everything forever is a very Microsoft world-view. They still provide emulation for MS-DOS under Windows 11, for goodness sake!

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scrapking Jumpin (on 17 November 2021)

"He likely draws the line conveniently at the Xbox launch or around it,"

Where do you get this suggestion from, let alone the certainty with which you state it?

How is legally offering something, that everyone who wants to is already doing, hurting anyone?

Legal emulation to me is providing the ability to emulate it. But it should be for people who demonstrate that they own the disc, or cartridge, since he did specify LEGAL emulation.

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Pemalite Jumpin (on 17 November 2021)

You are a consumer, you need to look at this from a consumerist perspective, not a business one.

Emulation in a legal sense so we can bring forth our entire game collections is a consumer benefit, irrespective of the company you support.

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Jumpin Pemalite (on 18 November 2021)

Your reasoning is flawed and based solely on entitlement and greed.
Without the business, there isn't consumption.
I'm in favour of the rights of the creators to do with their creations as they wish.

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Random_Matt (on 17 November 2021)

At least he is right about that.

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Mr Puggsly (on 17 November 2021)

I think the industry already has. I mean many companies are using emulation to some extent. But MS is arguably doing it the best at the moment.

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G2ThaUNiT Mr Puggsly (on 17 November 2021)

Sony has been the weakest at this though. They have an AMAZING back catalogue of legacy games and I want a way to play them.

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Zkuq G2ThaUNiT (on 17 November 2021)

The sad part is that Sony used to be good at this, and then they dropped it.

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Chazore Zkuq (on 18 November 2021)

I miss those days when I was able to buy and play Sonic Mega collection 3/4 on the PS2.

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Mr Puggsly G2ThaUNiT (on 17 November 2021)

Yeah, I don't get Sony. They could offer hundreds of enjoyable games between PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP and Vita emulation.

With that said, I would like to see MS using some sort of virtual machine software to bring classic Windows and DOS games to Xbox.

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VMCJonCarter (on 17 November 2021)

Yes 100% on board with this

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AJNShelton (on 18 November 2021)

Also MS "this is the Series S, the perfect console for emulation"

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JackHandy (on 17 November 2021)

Before this, I'd rather we figure out a way to make those old CRT-designed games run without any input lag. That would be step one for me.

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TheBraveGallade (on 17 November 2021)

says the company that has to jump through the least amount of hoops to do so while having the smallest back catalogue.
I support emulation, but things like PS3 emulation can get... tricky....

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scrapking TheBraveGallade (on 17 November 2021)

Your comment about the "least amount of hoops to do so," isn't fair IMO because they've also taken on the challenge of significantly enhancing older games. They're not just emulating them, they're enhancing them with auto HDR, AA, and even adding FPS boost at the OS level. They're doing it in such a way as to make it much harder on themselves, in exchange for a better experience for the consumer. That's worth something.

As is the fact that they're the only current player that offers out of the box emulation for their 7th and 6th gen consoles if you own the disc already (ie. not selling you the game again).

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mjk45 scrapking (on 17 November 2021)

A lot of those games need remedial work anyway to bring them up to todays standard so its a apt time to add features either directly or indirectly , and the reason they do so is it is another hook to keep you on the platform non of these platforms are altruistic in nature.

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Zkuq mjk45 (on 17 November 2021)

Personally I'd happily take those old games pretty much untouched, if that meant I could actually play them easily.

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scrapking Zkuq (on 18 November 2021)

Me too. I'd take twice as many games untouched, vs. half as many games but enhanced. If that was the choice before before me, that is.

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mjk45 scrapking (on 18 November 2021)

That's the trouble a lot of games weren't made for todays large screen digital TV's but despite popular thinking its not a one way street ,digital does not have all the advantage , CRT's also have advantages that have yet to be matched by there modern day counterparts.

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Zkuq mjk45 (on 19 November 2021)

That's OK, the games are still great even on modern TVs.

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scrapking mjk45 (on 19 November 2021)

Fair enough. Most of the games I really want to play are Sega Dreamcast or later, and generally look pretty darn good on modern TVs. But yes, Intellivision games (for example) blown up to a 65" display would be pretty rough. :) A shame, as I'm a big Intellivision fan. :D

Digital doesn't have all the advantages, no. But the advantages of digital speak to me more than the advantages of owning a disc.

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mjk45 scrapking (on 19 November 2021)

We were referencing digital TV's, and the CRT advantages are in regard to the two and distinct from the media used.

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scrapking mjk45 (on 22 November 2021)

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. :)

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Azzanation (on 18 November 2021)

PC company wants to support emulation.. surprise surprise.

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OneTime (on 18 November 2021)

Most games won’t work without someone running the servers, though. Unless he means really old games, in which case a rerelease is sort of up to the game owners anyway…. Many of them are long since defunct.

In any case, it’s cheaper to pick up old games (and hardware to run them on) at swap meets.

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Zkuq OneTime (on 19 November 2021)

Wiring up the hardware is a bother though, considering how most people probably don't have the space for modern consoles as well as old consoles.

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Loneken (on 17 November 2021)

Nintendo and Sony has an incredible legacy. We need this

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Chazore (on 18 November 2021)

Why not just let me buy a simple code that allows me to use said Rom on my rig till the end of time itself (you know, like the way it currently works today, without the DRM and storefront bs).

Downvote patrol being salty today.

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