Xbox Series X Tech Demo Features Gears 5 Running on Console - News

So I guess no need for a PC then?.

I always have to question this "expensive PC" guideline that some console folk seem to constantly set for themselves, like the myhtical "you need a 2-3k PC to run X games", and yet we've seen less money running things fine.

I am saying equivalent petformance and visuals on a PC is considerably higher than a console price. Especially if you don't want to build a PC.

Sorry if I am impressed how much power they're putting in this tiny box. Yet buying a gaming PC with equal capabilities tends to be much more expensive.

Well those that never wanted to build/buy a PC will go for a console, I mean that's how things have always been. Those that do want to get into PC will just go about it in numerous ways.

I'm not really as impressed, because while you call it a tiny box, I just see an SFF build, using 1-2 high pressure fans. It's nothing particularly new.What really should matter is what they do with the hardware and the games, rather than specs and a SFF case.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it's "more expensive", since you get a load of pros in return, pros that hardly ever go away, because that platform is constantly evolving, while consoles evolve one or twice per gen (refresh systems), but largely they stick with what's been put on their plate. It's more impressive to see newer hw each year, than say, hw every 8 years.

At the start of the generation, consoles are often equal to pretty nice gaming rigs in many respects. But, within 4 years or so, the PCs have moved way head, while consoles remain the same. This new-ish concept of mid-gen upgrades helps a little. But, just a little.

With that said, there's no doubt that the most bang for the buck comes from consoles. Plus, they just work. That makes consoles my preferred hardware for gaming

@VAMatt I mean, I shopped around carefully when I was building this rig, back in 2017, plus it also just works. Only time I've ever had to tinker around, is when a dev releases an objectively shitty port job, which consoles can also get from time to time.

PC is mine just because I'm offered a plethora of options at my disposal.

@Chazore - Personally I do want a high end gaming PC. I just don't want to spend the money and I dont wanna build. Especially since I will buy consoles and my time is limited.

Therefore I primarily use PCs for simple gaming stuff like small games and emulation.

You're taking it as a personal attack it seems. I am just glad Series X is pushing that power in a small box and at a lower price.

@Radek - That's the point. Looking on Amazon you have an expensive card.

If the Series X has enough power to make this game 4K, 60 fps with Ultra settings and still has overhead, then its exceeding my expectations.

@Mr Puggsly There are sites where you can simply piece together a PC and have the folks running the site build it for you, as well as mail it to you, OST installed and all. I personally use PC parts picker, since that site auto confirms on each part, to make sure there are no conflicts between important parts. If I'm really strapped for time and want it built asap, I'm able to have a simple PC workshop store build it for me, while I'm at work/on holiday (I've done that twice before).

Not really taking it personally. I just find it illogical whenever I see the high price argument being used, because that one tends to act like a trump "end all to be all" style card, which completely ignores all the pros that come with a gaming PC. Also the price argument is a highly subjective one, as well, we've got millions of people in every day life buying the latest iphone, a Switch, a PS4/X1, games, paying for online, but at the same time claiming a gaming PC is too expensive, and then I facepalm, because the latest Apple anything costs a ton more than a decent gaming rig, let alone all 3 console prices combined, games and online charges. They all add up to costing a lot, it's just that some users here (and elsewhere) only look at the prices individually and stack them against a mythical build/price.

I'm glad next gen will be sporting SSD's, because we'll be able to see an increase in LoD distances, instead of what we have currently, where it's extremely limited. That and show render distance right now is piss poor, that I can actually identify the shadow LoD render sphere around player character's (seen this in FFXV, GTAV, basically large open world titles).

I think you're missing the point. The amount of power they're putting in these consoles at a reasonable price is impressive. I didn't anticipate this level of power in what would be a fairly expensive gaming PC.

Did I say PCs have no benefits? Absolutely not. Chill the fuck out.

Okay, now I think you're the one who's not acting chill. I just told you specifically before that I wasn't taking it personally, ergo, I don't need to chill, because I was acting chill beforehand. Heck, I was chill when I made my first response, you just read too hard into my sentences and place emotions when there are none.

Also, not missing the point. And again, like Radek said before, and I would agree, it's not all that impressive, and I definitely do not expect native 4k 60+ ultra settings and like, Zero compromises and more headroom to spare, I'm sorry, but I don't see that being a thing. We've seen each gen play out, and there has always been some sort of sacrifice to one aspect or another.

"I definitely do not expect native 4k 60+ ultra settings and like." For Gears 5, I think that's what they're suggesting.

What I am obviously saying is, you need to spend 2-3k to get these exact results. Clearly, that's what I am saying. What else could I be saying?

Again, even for that game, I do not see that happening. And you could easily say that about the next MS game, going by that wording (Just saying, because it can be applied).

Yes, I knew this from the start, hence why I made the comment on some console gamers abiding to this mythical price sheet, that they themselves specifically made up on the spot, for everyone, console and PC to follow.

What I'm saying is that you do not, and you can ask Pem and CGI all about that, or should I make a thread and we all sit down and they can teach you how this actually works?, because I've seen them both school you before. No offence bud, but you are really lacking when it comes to PC tact and knowledge. You seem to value specs over actual benchmarking, and how said hw is used. I've seen the Xbox fans on Twitter do the same thing when XSX specs were announced, going on with "ya'll PC gamers gonna need X amount of money to compete with us", and no, I'm not saying that in an uppity or "non chill" manner, that's legit what some fanboys are parroting, and it's just...dumb..really, really dumb.

Also, to point out one minor thing: You're forgetting about hw prices and newer parts coming out over the first couple years, which sees PC parts price ranges getting wider and more varied, meaning it won't even cost a mythical 2-3k. Even if you applied that price tag, it would not stay in a fixed point, so why focus on a price range when it's going to change ever so rapidly, what importance or gain does that net you or anyone for that matter?.

@Chazore - An equivalent PC cost atleast 5K. Now quiet down, I am bored of you.


@Radek - Gears 5 with Ultra settings, 4K and 60 fps is still impressive.

They don't own RDR2, but Forza Horizon 4 would be impressive at highest settings and 4K. The X1X version made a lot of compromises to do 1080p with 60 fps. Its also a game that could utilize 120 fps well but would likely drop the resolution.

@Mr Puggsly quiet down?. Come on man, you don't have to be petty like that. We both know it's a made up guideline you made yourself, it's not written anywhere anyway.