Why We Need Consoles

by Jake Weston, posted on 16 December 2011 / 24,711 Views

The age of the console as we know it is coming to an end, if various game developers, journalists, and industry analysts are to be believed. With current PC's outperforming this generation's consoles, the increasing prevalance of iOS and free-to-play games, and the rise of cloud gaming, the days of plugging a physical device into your TV with which to play video games may soon be a thing of the past. According to most involved with the industry, there will be only one, maybe two more generations of home consoles before gaming will be solely exist as integrations into everyone's television, smartphones and personal computers. 

What's troubling, though, is that this is being seen as a good thing. The integration of gaming into every other facet of entertainment media has its upsides, sure, but the loss of the dedicated home console will prove detrimental to the quality of gaming, not increase it. Here are the reasons why: 

 

A Dedicated Platform

iPhone Android

Indie games and social games may be increasing in popularity on the internet and smartphones, but they are far from the primary feature. If we lose home consoles, gaming will forever be a secondary feature of the device it's on, not the selling point. People don't go to Facebook solely to play Mafia Wars, and people don't buy iPhones so they can play Plants vs. Zombies on the go. Games will no longer be developed for those who love and respect the medium, but made as entertaining distractions. 

 

Consistency

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Every time a high profile PC game comes out, there are invariably issues with the technical specifications of the machine that gamers are playing the game on. If a gamer has outdated hardware, or just doesn't have the right graphics card (remember Rage?), then their enjoyment of the game will not be the same as someone who already spent time and money getting the best possible PC. Likewise, I could see this problem transferring over to smartphones as games for those platforms become more technologically advanced. There are dozens of smartphone models on the market, as oppossed to the three current dedicated gaming systems currently available. When you buy a console, you more or less are guaranteed to be able to play almost any game for the next 5-7 years, without having to upgrade your drivers or buy a new graphics card. Likewise, developers only have to worry about developing for that particular console and its specifications, rather than having to worry about all the different possible combinations of PC hardware that gamers are using. 

 

Accessibility

Consoles exist as the happy medium between "hardcore" gamers and "casual" gamers, as much as I despise using those terms. Not everyone has the money or dedication to deck out their computers into super gaming machines, but not all gamers are content with farm simulators or mini-game collections. Consoles offer gamers a one time investment that allows them to enjoy the broadest range of gaming available. Modding aside, someone playing Skyrim on 360 will have roughly the same experience as a gamer playing it on their PC. 

 

Offline Ownership

Cloud Gaming

Let's say consoles go out altogether, and gaming only becomes available in cloud services like Steam, Origin, and the App Store. Well, what happens when the servers for those sites invariably get shut down? One day, services like Steam and Origin will no longer exist, or be extremely different than they are now. There's a good chance that one day the games you purchased will no longer be available. If they remove the DRM from those files before shutting down their servers, you are still stuck only being able to play that game on whatever device its downloaded onto. With consoles, you at least get a physical copy of the product you buy. Even if future consoles are no longer backwards compatible with older generation games, you can still always store your older consoles and bring them out when you want to play your older games. 

 

Competition

Console Wars

Many gamers lament the fact that if you want to play all of the best games this generation, then you have to own all three consoles, as well as a state of the art PC, and perhaps portable systems. The amount of money you need to spend to be able to enjoy all these games is the biggest argument for why gaming consoles should make way for cloud gaming. However, it's the competition between the home console manufacterers that brought games to the level of quality they are at today. Going back to the days of Sega vs. Nintendo, to the current rivalry between Sony and Microsoft, the drive to outsell the competition is the reason that gaming is at its current graphical and artistic level of quality. Companies would have never been driven to increase the graphical power of their systems if they didn't have a competitor to one up. Without the need to have a killer app to sell your console on, we would have never gotten great modern franchises such as Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet. The downside may be flame wars between system fanboys, but that's more an argument against the mentality of gamers, and not the state of the industry. 

 

WIthout consoles, gaming would no longer have a dedicated platform to call its own, and no longer have a dedicated audience to cater to. Many gamers may not be enthusiastic about having to shell out $300-$500 (or more) for each next generation system, but if we want gaming  to not only continue to support dedicated gamers, but continue to grow and evolve, we need consoles to be the culture for them to grow on.


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23 Comments

RukiSama (on 16 December 2011)

Aww c'mon! This gen will sell 300+M home consoles, compared to 200M of the last gen. Let alone portables.. Why we have to think consoles are doomed?


duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

They're certainly not doomed - Brand devotion truly will never die. Thus, consoles will never die.


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Lord Ciansworth (on 17 December 2011)

It's so bizarre to hear arguments that dedicated console's are on their way out, when they're more popular than they have ever been. Console's have remained more popular than PCs for gaming, and will continue to do so, due to their streamlined and user-friendly functionality. No upgrading graphics cards and RAM, no downloading the latest Direct X, and no worrying about system requirements, you just insert the disc and play. They allow for greater control than iOS/Android games, with dedicated game controllers that a single touch screen cannot match. Consoles will continue to thrive as long as publishers can provide quality gaming experiences that are just not possible on non-dedicated gaming hardware, like phones. The only things that could destroy console gaming are game publishers themselves.


Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

It's so obvious isn't it.


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duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

Yeah consoles definitely aren't on their way out. Is brand devotion on its way out? Haha no. Therefore, consoles are not on their way out.


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blkfish92 (on 16 December 2011)

Consoles wont die, not a chance.


Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

I like buying a new sexy console, taking it home; Plugging it into my TV (which has always been bigger than any available PC monitor), Connecting it to my home theatre sound system, Chilling out on my coach (I really don't like to sit at a desk and play as much), Having my new, next gen game experience right then and there, and being comfortable with the thought that for the next 4/5 years my new console will be home to a plethora of wonderful games. I LIKE the above experience. I don't see how it can replaced by anything except a new console. NOT TO MENTION local multiplayer. Sure, you can LAN, but this setup is just SO simple and always available. This argument is stupid, and only a cause for flame wars. I don't care what Carmack and Newell says, the MILLIONS of people buying the consoles are clearly not in agreement with them. And who made them the hardware experts anyways? Last time I check MS/Sony/Nintendo had no plans to change the fundamental way home entertainment functions.


duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

"Plugging it into my TV (which has always been bigger than any available PC monitor),

Connecting it to my home theatre sound system,

Chilling out on my coach (I really don't like to sit at a desk and play as much),"

You mean all of that stuff that I'm doing as I type this on my PC right now?

See? You literally can't think of anything consoles can do that a PC can't.


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Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

...it's only natural that the border between consoles and pc's will blur more and more. In fact, they are actually the same thing aren't they?

I've been doing the above with my console for years. I suspect only very high end pc users were able to do that in 2001.

This game of ping pong must stop. Here is my conclusion:

- There is no reason to suspect that consoles are dying
- PC's offer a superior gameplay experience, and always have, BUT the console setup is cheaper, simpler and more accessible.
- There will always be console haters, but the point is that these consoles are home to wonderful gaming experiences, WHY does it piss you off so much? I will never know.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

"...it's only natural that the border between consoles and pc's will blur more and more. In fact, they are actually the same thing aren't they?"

Yes, they are exactly the same, only consoles cost more, they are of much lower quality, and they have much more restrictions. That's why people don't like consoles.

"- There is no reason to suspect that consoles are dying"

Absolutely true, I said it probably 3 times now - Brand devotion, and thus, consoles will never die. Because that is literally the only reason to buy a console.

"- PC's offer a superior gameplay experience, and always have, BUT the console setup is cheaper, simpler and more accessible."

Not true, PC gaming is much cheaper, and updating is an option. An option that consoles don't have anyway. How is it even possible to defend the lack of an option?

"- There will always be console haters, but the point is that these consoles are home to wonderful gaming experiences, WHY does it piss you off so much? I will never know."

Some gamers don't like when people buy consoles, because it's holding gaming back. People think they're doing something good for gaming by buying a console, when in actuality, they're showing companies that they can take ancient hardware, put a high price tag on it, put a bunch of restrictions on it and we will still buy it. If people decided that we weren't going to let them get away with that, and nobody bought consoles anymore, then gaming would be much better for everyone. The only competition would exist in genuinely creating better and more games than other developers. There would be no more gimmicks.


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 19 December 2011)

Updating is not as optional as you might make it sound. The entry price for gaming on the PC is way higher than for consoles. Dr. Grass is right here for the most part. For example, you could play Crysis 2 on a regular PC, on the lowest settings possible, but then you loose the only advantage that PC gaming offers, Graphical horse power. Modding is a mute point for me, so graphical horse power is the only advantage that the PC offers.

I know that a lot people like the modding community, I'm just not one of them. Again, someone said that consoles are only 40% of the gaming market, and this is supposed to be a sign of the end since only a few short years ago console gaming used to account for 90% of the market.

This is easily explained by the simple fact that just a few short years ago we only saw the market as consoles, handhelds and PCs. The reason why it seems that the consoles control less of the market, its because the market has grown to encompass mobile gaming meaning cell phones, tablet gaming and casual browser based gaming, as in facebook and chrome and the sort.

Consoles are not controlling less of the market, its just that the market has grown. In fact, I would venture to say that consoles are getting stronger. Just look at the total sales of all consoles of this generation as compared to last generation or the generations before.

More consoles have been sold today than at any other time in gamings history. Console gaming is not going anywhere do to the simple fact, that those mediums that some of the so called experts are claiming will take over, are just serving as an introductory step for those formerly uninitiated in gaming. My wife, whose never in her life been a gamer or had any interest in gaming, because as she put it, it was for nerds and people with no lifes, has gotten into gaming.

It all started with the iPhone, and her playing games like Plants Vs Zombies on her phone, then it moved from that to farmville on facebook, then when I got her an iPad she moved onto that. Now all that gaming has sparked her interest in richer deeper gaming experiences. So she moved onto a Wii, where she tried her dancing games, and music games, then she started playing Mario Galaxy, now she's all over my 360 and PS3.

To the point that I might have to buy her her own consoles because now I can't get time in on some gaming. She's constantly playing games like LBP on PS3 and the whole Lego series, and to my surprised she even went out and bought Zelda Skyward Sword and started playing that as well. Now she's not yet a hardcore gamer, but those tid bits she played on her phone sparked an interest and now she's willing to try console gaming.

As a former PC gamer myself, I know its hard for us to admit that consoles have any real advantage over PCs, but fact is that they hold a couple of significant advantages that the PC just can not over come, or has not been able to to this point. And those are the price of admission and ease of use.

Once you have a gaming rig built, it is fairly cheap to maintain it up to date, and although upgrading is not mandatory, if you really want to enjoy PC gaming to its fullest you will have to upgrade. But that cost of building your rig for the first time, just can not compete with consoles.

Second, ease of use. My wife is very well versed in computers, she is far ahead of most people that are considered tech savvy. She can replace HDDs, she can figure out how to do what she wants without having to call tech support. She can even do most troubleshooting on her own, but she would never game on a PC do to the simple fact that for her it seems like a daunting task. Calibrating pads, adjusting settings etc, are just things she's not willing to do. That is why, consoles are so attractive to her as the next step in her gaming resume.


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duckypwns (on 19 December 2011)

"Updating is not as optional as you might make it sound."

Meanwhile, consoles can't do it at all. Defending the lack of an option is never valid.

"I know that a lot people like the modding community, I'm just not one of them."

This is really just defending the lack of an option, once again. You wouldn't do it, so you don't even want the option despite that it comes with no disadvantages. What if you change your mind? Are you aware that the term "option" means that you don't have to utilize that option? Having the option is and always will be superior to not having the option at all.

"The reason why it seems that the consoles control less of the market, "

Not true at all, brand devotion, and thus, consoles will never die.

"As a former PC gamer myself, I know its hard for us to admit that consoles have any real advantage over PCs, but fact is that they hold a couple of significant advantages that the PC just can not over come, or has not been able to to this point. And those are the price of admission and ease of use."

PC gaming is cheaper if you plan on buying more than one gaming system ever in your life and buying more than 5 games. And "ease of use" may have been a valid argument back in the 80's when not everybody was computer illiterate but not being familiar with Windows and knowing how to install programs, etc. in 2011 is absolutely unacceptable to say the least. PC gaming requires the bare minimum of computer knowledge.


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 19 December 2011)

"Meanwhile, consoles can't do it at all. Defending the lack of an option is never valid."

You keep blurting that out like a freaking anthem, the fact is that consoles as they are today don't really need to be upgraded. If your a PC gamer you would spend around $300 to $600 USD every few years just to stay somewhere near the top end as a PC gamer.

You say console gaming is only cheaper if your buying only one console and five games, but you provide no prove. You don't provide any numbers, or a link, or anything, so I guess we're just supposed to take you at face value? I don't think so.

I forgot to add the cost of an OS to the cost of building a gaming PC, thanks for making me remember that. Ease of use is still very much a valid argument today. If you want to be able to get away from the desk, you have to buy a wireless keyboard and mouse and gamepad, that's even more initial cost.

You can argue all you want and call people arrogant all you want, but at the end of the day it looks like the great majority of consumers and gamers find your argument extremely flawed.


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duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

"just to stay somewhere near the top end as a PC gamer."

Who said we need to stay near the top? PC hardware from 5 years ago is still relevant and can run most modern PC games with a decent framerate, AND they're better than consoles. You're just defending the lack of an option YET AGAIN! You obviously just just said that I was "blurting that out like an anthem" as way of saying "I'm going to continue defending the lack of an option - Please do not call me out on it this time."

"You say console gaming is only cheaper if your buying only one console and five games, but you provide no prove. You don't provide any numbers, or a link, or anything, so I guess we're just supposed to take you at face value? I don't think so."

Well let's look at the console prices I posted somewhere else here, also I will be nice and not include things like the 3DO in my average:


Gen 3

NES - $199.99 (launch prices)
Genesis - $199.99

($400 Total)

Gen 4

SNES - $199.99
Sega Mega Drive - $190.00

($390)

Gen 5

Playstation - $299.99
N64 - $249.99

($550)

Gen 6

XBOX - $299.99
Playstation 2 - $299.99
Gamecube - $199.99
Dreamcast - $199.99

($1,000)

Gen 7

Wii - $249.99
360 - $299.99 (for the one with the worst hard drive)
PS3 - $499.99 (for the one with the worst hard drive)

($1,050)

(400 + 390 + 550 + 1000 + 1050) / 5 = $678 is the average cost to buy every console per generation.

Now let's just say there are 3 consoles in a generation so we'll divide that by 3 - $226 for your console.

The games on PS3 and 360 are $60, but I'll be lenient as always and assume that you are only going to buy games at Wii prices - $50.

$50 x 5 = $250.

$226 + $250 = $476

Now if you bought another console for $226 on top of that, and didn't even buy any games, that's $702.

Or, if you bought just one more game for your one console (one console and 6 games) that would have been $476 + $50 = $526

Meanwhile, an acceptable gaming PC would have been $500, (4GB RAM, 4 core CPU, 6770) while a good one (8GB RAM, 6 core CPU, 6870 minimum) would have been $700.

$702 > $700
$526 > $500

So there you go. And keep in mind nobody is only going to want to buy one console and less than 5 games. People are going to want to buy 2-3 and maybe 10-30 games usually. So with that in mind it should become extremely apparent that PC gaming is a lot cheaper.


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NinjaV (on 17 December 2011)

I agree with this article completely....I don't think consoles will ever disappear what i'm really afraid that will disappear is physical media...I hate digital games I like actually owning what I buy.


duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

You still don't actually "own" the game when you buy it, per se. The developer still owns the game. You're just buying the right to play it. There's really no reason to fear digital games. It just means that everything will be stored in one convenient box. No more inconvenience of having to switch disks around, no more scratched disks, etc. Also there is no excuse for the amount of boxes and manuals that people only look at for two seconds anyway. It's just a huge waste. I have mostly digital games, yet I still manage to have hundreds of these boxes and manuals sitting around my house. Just imagine how many of these every gamer has. It's nothing but a huge, unnecessary, inconvenient waste that doesn't help anyone in any way.


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 19 December 2011)

I agree with NinjaV here. Even though you don't actually own the physical media its still a better option. I can do with it as I please. If I buy a game, I can loan it to a friend, or I can sale it, or use it as a coaster if I damn well please. But with digital media, nope sorry can't be done.

What would happen if your little one convenient box breaks? Most companies have completely different sets of digital distribution rules. Some might be nice and let you download your purchase again, some might just say too bad, if you want it you have to buy it again. That's not fair now is it.

Plus I don't know if you live in Europe or the US or any other country, but here in the US, there is a huge bandwith problem, one that will not be resolved soon enough, Heck it might be decades before they're even close to a solution. So going full on digital distribution would just make all of the internet in this country slow down to a crawl. And that's not even taking into account the fact that an extremely large chunk of the population live in areas where high speed internet is just not available at this time or its not fast enough. How do you propose we take care of them?


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duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

Actually, you can trade games on Steam, gift games, etc. so you're blatantly lying yet again.

And if your one convenient little box does break, guess what? Any intelligent person backs up their important files. Save your things to two hard drives if this is a concern. How often does a hard drive that is known for its reliability actually fail? Even if this happens, it usually does so within the first hours, if not, the first few days. Also, you can stream games as well. There are just countless solutions here to this problem that may or may not even really exist. And even in the absolute worst case scenario, I.E. Steam shuts down and can legally keep all of your money while not providing anyone with their games they bought, you can just redownload the games for free somewhere else. Every concern you have here is either sidesteppable or non-existent. But no, no, let's keep wasting tons and tons of natural resources to produce boxes and manuals.

And your bandwidth "concern" is not real. If you believe that it is, give me some numbers - Considering that you would pay $83 for 2 gigs of RAM I would love to see you try to give me some numerical information on this "problem". Most games are about 4 gigs in size, usually 8 at the most but there are some exceptions. I live in an area with crappy internet and I have no problem downloading files 10+ gigs in size. If I left my computer running at night while I slept, downloading an indefinite amount of files, I would probably be able to get 30+ gigs by the time I woke up.


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sergiodaly (on 16 December 2011)

i agree... i do play games on my android and in FB, but having just that as my gaming experience, i wouldn't consider myself a gamer!


duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

Those games aren't what would define gaming without consoles though.


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crissindahouse (on 16 December 2011)

don't know about that. i hear ths for a long time now and still the consoles sell better than anytime before. for me it seems that the consoles market is growing and not shrinking. but if not and we wouldn't have consoles anymore but therefore more pc games it would be also no problem for me. people always say it's more expensive then but this isn't rue for me (maybe for some others) i buy a lot of games. i buy between 50-100 games per generation. i have to pay 10€ more for console games than for pc games. so i pay between 500 and 1000€ more for games than i would have to pay for the sames games on pc. i have to own a pc so the only thing i have to spend more as i would without gaming is the graphics card. with a 300€ card i can easily play a few years without problem and after that i have to buy a new one for 300€ but, what i said, i pay 500-1000 less for games and i don't have to buy a consoles which costs money as well. for the games, without consoles i believe a company like nintendo would make games for pc so i wouldn't miss all these games i think. and i don't see the problem anymore. i can play all pc games on my tv with a controller. all i need is a hdmi cable for 10€ in the end it's less expensive for me to play on pc but i still don't believe that the next gen will be the last one and i don't hope so.


Michael-5 (on 17 December 2011)

Games over Steam is cheap, great point. If it weren't for some AAA exclusives, I guess I could migrate over to PC.

However to be fair, a single console is cheaper then a PC. If I were to build a PC now capable of 360 graphics, it would cost me $350 with a case, processor, motherboard, RAM, etc. It would be more powerful then a 360, and have vastly more memory, but this is basically the cheapest set-up I could make which would be capable of HD video (They don't make hard-drives as small as the 360's anymore, and processors and graphics cards do have a minimum performance). I could buy a 360 for $200 with 250GB (look around, and you will find a deal).

Still overall I do pay more on consoles, mainly because used games on PC are cheaper. Had XBL and PSN been as good as Steam, then consoles would be cheaper.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

Console gaming is only cheaper if you only plan on buying one console and less than 5 games.


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duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

I love how people thumbs down the comment but they can't prove it wrong lol!


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Genera1MLD (on 16 June 2012)

this is so true for me, so far ive spent £960 on the 360 with XBL (6 years subscried, 4 consoles owned), £630 on ps3's (3 consoles owned) only a very small percentage of 360/ps3 owners will still have a working launch console that played on a regular basis/daily.

my PC cost me just over £500 has 2 mid/high end graphics cards and runs every game in 1080p @ 60fps no problem, the games are a lot cheaper on steam/pc in general plus going by how much ive spent on consoles over the past 7 years on this gen i could build another PC to meet high spec in 5 years time and still have enough to build another to match PC recommended spec 5 years after that lol, people quickly forget how much the consoles cost at launch like the ps3 @£425 and 360 @ £279 they might be cheaper now but they wernt when they launched.


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Tammi (on 17 December 2011)

So true. Forget all this cloud gaming and smartphone nonsense! It's so annoying the way all this digital stuff is getting in the way already.


riders42 (on 25 May 2012)

not looking forward to cloud gaming at all. love having a physical collection


Wiintendo (on 23 December 2011)

Why Consoles as We Know Them Will Die Out http://www.consumerelectronicsnet.com/article/Why-Consoles-as-We-Know-Them-Will-Die-Out-1810885 Imagine that you needed a special TV to watch HBO’s Game of Thrones, then another television to watch Showtime’s The Tudors, then, to watch the Super Bowl, you needed yet another TV. This is exactly what we’re dealing with in the games industry with consoles. It’s pretty ridiculous when you stop and think about it.


scikoolaid (on 19 December 2011)

To suggest to know what 12 years away from now is going to entail is nonsense. If history shows anything, it would mean that consoles will be more able to engage with social networks more and media in all forms, but when you pop in a game or play a downloaded game, it goes into it's core purpose, hardware made specifically to be completely optimized for the best operation for said game developed for it. 'The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated' - mark twain


kowenicki (on 17 December 2011)

Odd article. Consoles that ONLY play games have already died. The 360 and the PS3 are entertainment devices. Thats how consoles will survive. They have evolved and are now a means to get content into living rooms, including games. The 360 and its integration of apps is the model for the next gen.


Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

This is probably the only point worth making - thumbs up.


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Wiintendo (on 16 December 2011)

article said, "The age of the console as we know it is coming to an end, if various game developers, journalists, and industry analysts are to be believed. " Gabe Newell: Apple living room box may cause separate console platform notion to disappear October 12, 2011 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448232 After broad pursuit massively multiplayer online games, the free-to-play model is emerging as "a really interesting opportunity," he said. .. "I suspect Apple will launch a living room product that redefines people's expectations really strongly and the notion of a separate console platform will disappear," he said. John Carmack: 'Unquestionable' That Mobile Will Surpass Current Consoles 08/07/2011 http://www.industrygamers.com/news/john-carmack-unquestionable-that-mobile-will-surpass-current-consoles/ Ultimately, Carmack does see mobile hardware becoming very powerful very quickly. It's incredible to think that we'll have tiny smartphones more powerful than the PS3 in our pockets at all times, but that day is approaching fast and it could drastically change the industry - that and cloud gaming, says Carmack. Richard Garriot - Consoles are fundamentally doomed Nov 29, 2011 http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=167415 "I think we might get one more generation, might, but I think fundamentally they're doomed. I think fundamentally the power that you can carry with you in a portable is really swamping what we've thought of as a console." EA CEO: Consoles Now Only 40% of Games Industry July 19, 2011 http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ea-ceo-consoles-now-only-40-of-games-industry/ Consoles used to be 80% of the industry as recently as 2000. .. Our fastest growing platform is the iPad right now and that didn’t exist 18 months ago. Epic: iPhone, others may kill need for new game consoles Aug 06, 2011 http://onespot.wsj.com/gadgets/2011/08/06/03247/epic-iphone-others-may-kill-need-for-new THQ: Future consoles will drop discs for cloud gaming 08/09/2011 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-09-08-thq-future-consoles-will-drop-discs-for-cloud-gaming THQ CEO Brian Farrell...this "will result in a lower cost for the hardware manufacturer, which will result in a lower cost to consumers and therefore a lower entry point, thus driving more mass market adoption." iPad, Tablets to Replace Consoles? March 14, 2011 http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ipad-tablets-to-replace-consoles/ This year's iPad is already nine times more graphically capable than last year's. Will tablets eventually iterate to the point that they're actually more powerful than consoles, eventually becoming more ubiquitous and replacing them? ... former Sony executive Phil Harrison ..."But it's not just the technology. It's the business models you can put on these devices - free-to-play, microtransactions, built on social networks, delivered through a browser-style interface that is either an app or stream. These are 21st century business models that are going to prevail." Could Mobile Replace the Console? 06/12/2011 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-12-06-could-mobile-replace-the-console-editorial Back in August I wrote a bullish (perhaps bullspit) piece for Develop Magazine: A bold prediction that the mobile phone will kill the console. Mobile Gaming: 'No Reason' It Won't Replace Consoles, says Developer October 25, 2011 http://www.industrygamers.com/news/mobile-gaming-no-reason-it-wont-replace-consoles-says-developer/ OnLive's mobile app hits and misses (with launch compatibility list) Dec 7th 2011 http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/07/onlives-mobile-app-hits-and-misses-with-launch-compatibility-l/ Still, pairing an OnLive controller with an iPad will change mobile gaming forever, at the very least. ... ..it does make your head spin when you imagine what's possible here. ... ...probably the future of gaming itself: Slimmer hardware running high-tech games over a cloud service. Yahoo predicts video game consoles won't be around by 2020 Oct 19, 2011 http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/yahoo-predicts-video-game-cons/1256217?page=1


duckypwns (on 17 December 2011)

Honestly, collect all the links you want - But brand devotion, and thus, consoles will never die.


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Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

Even if MARKET SHARE DROPS the AMOUNT OF CONSOLES SOLD CAN INCREASE. I'm amazed by people's stupidity.


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TheDarkBender (on 16 December 2011)

I 100% agree with this :)


duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

I'm going to sum up the conversations I've had here: - "I like to sit on my couch while I play and use a controller." - "I like to play on a big TV, not a small computer monitor." Ok, then buy an HDMI cord, whichever controller you want, and sit on your couch and play. Nothing is stopping you from doing that. Oh and with PC, you can use every single console controller, as well as controllers that consoles cannot use. And when you play multiplayer, your friends can use their favorite controller while you can use yours. - "I don't care about modding games, and I don't care about graphics so I'm not worried about upgrading my hardware." Defending the lack of an option is not valid. Consoles don't have some of these options at all, or have limited versions of these options. PC has the option. It would be like saying "Well I'm not going to go to McDonald's today. I really want a Big Mac, but it's possible to order fries, and I don't want fries, so I clearly shouldn't go there." Plus what if you decided that you did want these options? Most people that "don't care" about these options don't know anything about them. When you only play a game on a console, why would you care about the PC only mods for that game? Who knows? Not you. Maybe you'd be interested in them. nb4 people cite the most pointless mods and say "NOW WHY WOULD I WANT THAT?!" - "PC gaming is too expensive." Let's take a look at some numerical facts, shall we? Here are most of the main consoles that people bought. I'm only going to list the popular ones, because there's no point in listing things like the 3DO which was, I believe about $600 and nobody bought it. Thus, things like that are pretty irrelevant. Anyway: Gen 3 NES - $199.99 (launch prices) Genesis - $199.99 Gen 4 SNES - $199.99 Sega Mega Drive - $190.00 Gen 5 Playstation - $299.99 N64 - $249.99 Gen 6 XBOX - $299.99 Playstation 2 - $299.99 Gamecube - $199.99 Dreamcast - $199.99 Gen 7 Wii - $249.99 360 - $299.99 (for the one with the worst hard drive) PS3 - $499.99 (for the one with the worst hard drive) Now, let's take into consideration that you pretty much need a computer anyway. Most people are pretty ignorant as far as that goes and they are perfectly willing to go to their local Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, etc. and just pick out a pre-built machine for $500-$800, depending on if it comes with a monitor, etc. Ok, well why not spend a little bit more or possibly even less than whatever you were planning on buying, and have a computer of much higher quality? The PC that I would recommend most gamers costs about $700. You're not often going to have to replace the case, the power supply, DVD drive, etc. the main parts you will need to replace or upgrade are the RAM, CPU, and graphics card. RAM is extremely cheap. 8 GB of RAM which is pretty exceptional can be found online for $40 or so - Less if you are patient and wait for good deals. An acceptable CPU will cost about about $120. A good to exceptional one will cost $150-$200. As for the graphics card, just get a 6870 for about $170. It will still be far better than any modern console. If you want to match console esque graphics you're really only looking at $50-100 or so. I personally don't see any reason not to build a vastly superior machine though. Alright so bottom line, $700 for the computer that I would recommend. Keep in mind, a lot of PC gamers will disagree with me on this and suggest a much cheaper ($400 or so) computer, but it would be a bit lower in quality. Now if you bought every console at launch this generation, that is at least $1,050. Even if you waited for the price cuts to buy them now: Wii - $150 PS3 - $250 360 - $250 That's still $650, meanwhile you need a computer anyway, so buying all of those at the minimum prices and a pre-built computer from a local store, let's say you buy a crappy one for $500-600, that's still over $1,000. Meanwhile you could have been playing on a $700 system from either the beginning of this generation, or the entire time you were waiting for the price drops. This is being as lenient as possible towards consoles and as harsh as possible on PC, and PC is still cheaper. And this is just looking at the hardware. PC software is much cheaper as well. Also, you do not need to upgrade, let alone every part of your PC every generation. To upgrade the PC I'm on right now, which I built in generation 7 of gaming, will probably cost about $300 at the most in generation 8, and that is implying that I'm going to be getting a new CPU, graphics card, and more RAM. Realistically I may need one or two of those. Even if I didn't update, my computer would still be able to run most generation 8 games with a decent frame rate. So $700 once, and a $300 or so upgrade every other generation or so, or $650 minimum PER ONE GENERATION, and not getting to play games for a few years, plus $60 per game, meanwhile you need a computer anyway, etc. People do not understand that the point of consoles is literally that they take older hardware, and put a higher price tag on it. That's literally how they make money. How else would they make money? If they were to produce a system that supposedly had ALL the best stuff, well guess what - that's going to be expensive as hell to produce so less people will buy it, and the computer industry is going to continue making advancements regardless so within a year or two that system would have been several hundred dollars less to produce. The computer industry isn't going to stop all so that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo's system can be number one. - "There would be no competition without consoles." No, there would just be no console competition. There would only be the most basic, direct type of competition in the gaming world - Making more and better games than other developers. Oh no! How horrible, right? Well I mean I guess so according to the people that think this. That's not the competition they're worried about; they're not concerned with having more and better games, they just want their precious Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc. to thrive. It really makes me wonder when people say this, are they actually gamers, or are they just some kind of viral marketer? - "But PC gaming requires technical knowledge! With consoles, you just put the game in!" If you are a fully developed, normally functioning adult, PC gaming is no harder to figure out than a console. If you can't figure out how to install a game, you're never going to make it in the world. Computers are becoming a more and more prominent aspect of our society day by day. If you can't install a game, and put a shortcut to it on the desktop, enjoy flipping burgers for the rest of your life - But don't worry, because we both know people in general are not that unteachable. So just stop playing coy - PC gaming is just as accessible as consoles. - "But I like to actually own the games that I buy!" Unless you are a game developer, you've never owned a game anyway. When you buy a game, you do not actually own the rights to that game. When you buy a physical copy of a game, you are paying a crap load of extra money for a box and a manual that you will look at for two seconds. Now consider how many of these boxes and manuals that are produced. Honestly I consider this problematic. It's a HUGE waste, and there is no logical reason to appreciate it anyway. Any fears of Steam shutting down and losing all of your games you bought, etc. are completely unwarranted. If you think they'd get away with that from a legal perspective, you're living in a dream world, and worst case scenario, if they somehow DID, guess what? You have the option to sidestep that problem altogether - just redownload the games for free somewhere else. You can't complain about something that you invoke upon yourself. If you shoot yourself in the foot then say "OW MY FOOT" nobody should feel bad for you. Also, having everything on a hard drive instead of having to switch out games is very convenient, and disk based games load slower than games stored digitally anyway. Why would you want your game to load more slowly? How does that help you? - "But I like exclusives!" Any mature gamer would not care if everybody got to play every game. Now, exclusives are the only reason consoles have hypothetical worth, so this is a redundant, pointless argument because its exactly what PC gamers are arguing against. It would be like if you walked up to someone who believed in very strict gun control and said "I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GUNS!" It's pointless, you're just saying that you believe in the opposite of what they believe. Now imagine if every console still existed, but every game was on every console as well. What would happen logically in this scenario? That's right, the more expensive and less powerful systems would die out. Thus, there would be no more consoles. PC gamers don't choose PC - PC gaming chooses them. We want the cheapest, highest quality hardware with the least amount of restrictions to have all the games as well. Why don't you? Now why wouldn't that be the best for you as well - Brand devotion? - "But I don't care about graphics! That's what PC gaming is about!" Most people that say this DO care about graphics - They have a deeper appreciation for older graphical styles. Guess what, that's actually caring about graphics. If you truly didn't care about graphics, you would buy whatever is cheaper, even if the graphics are better. I'm a PC gamer and the only time I care about graphics is when it actually affects gameplay, I.E. objects rendering at long distances. When an informed gamer uses the word "graphics", this is what they are referring to. An unintelligent gamer will use the term "graphics" to refer to how pretty the game looks. So all this being said, the idea that PC gaming is only about graphics is wrong. In many games, I.E. top down games, or any style of game where you will not be looking from a first person perspective into far distances, graphics are really not an issue at all. So what is PC gaming about then? Well, it's about using any controller or combination of controllers that you want, it's about giving you the option to upgrade your hardware at will, it's about soft modding games, free online service, cheaper games, cheaper system in the long run, etc. Meanwhile, consoles still literally have no advantage over PC. Why are you still going to buy a console after reading this?


Michelasso (on 21 May 2012)

"Why are you still going to buy a console after reading this?"

Do you really believe anyone would read that wall text? I just jumped to the conclusion to see on which side you were: the wrong one, obviously.

Let me put it straight: Vieogaming don't need PCs. PCs are the the first source of piracy. get a rid of PCs once for all the the industry will benefit greatly. See? much simpler!


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NintendoFanDj (on 17 December 2011)

it funny when people don't mention games or franchises that Nintendo recently created in these type of articles.


duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

I agree - Why don't people just talk about the one hypothetical advantage consoles ACTUALLY HAVE on PC, that being exclusives? Instead they just sit here and lie about how consoles can do something a PC can't, which simply isn't true and is always quickly debunked.

Still, being proud of exclusives is not a good thing because if a gamer was mature, they wouldn't care if everyone got to play every game.


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scorptile (on 17 December 2011)

sorry but consoles are dying. reason is did you know that you can spend 500 dollars and build you a new pc that will last the same length as a console?? without having to really upgrade. ive done this on several occasions like my current pc i spent 500 to build it. at the time the ps3 was 600 so yeah do the math. in the next few years the xbox720 and ps4 will more then likely be 500+ dollars again and at that time i could build an even better pc then i have now for cheaper. the only console that is different fromt he rest is nintendo reason being they innovate and not put out the same device as a pc to begin with. but overall pc gaming is booming and consoles are losing steam.


Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

I don't know if you're naive or just incredibly stupid.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

Everything he said was correct, other than that "console sales are dying". Brand devotion, and thus, consoles will never die. What was "naive" or "incredibly stupid" about anything else he said?


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Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

The fact that there are is no indication that people aren't willing to spend $300 for a console.. Console market is as healthy as ever. That's why. It's bloody simple.

Well done giving yourself the thumbs up, I will proceed to undo that now.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

It's very arrogant how you restate what I said, as though you are teaching it to me for the first time or something. That is exactly what I have been saying - Brand devotion, and thus, consoles will never die. The question here is how is this something to be proud of, that we as gamers will literally buy something more expensive, lower quality, and with more restrictions just because it has a brand logo slapped across it? That's not something to be glad about.

And you are the only one who cares about thumbs. You're not proving some kind of "awesome" point by not giving yourself a thumbs up. Means nothing. As for me, I'm going to give this a thumbs up because I don't want it to be censored just because people don't know how to respond to it just because of how correct it is. If people disagree with it, they should explain why - Not censor it and run away in fear.


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duckypwns (on 17 December 2011)

"The age of the console as we know it is coming to an end" If only. This isn't happening at all. Consoles are bad because we're forced to play on ancient hardware due to exclusives. The concept of exclusives is absolutely terrible and is holding gaming back. The only reason someone would like the concept of exclusives is because of brand devotion. They want to be able to say that they have a game that the competition doesn't have. If someone was a mature gamer, they would not care if everybody got to play every game. Now that being said, every single thing a console can do, a PC can do, or will be able to do in the near future. So if there were no exclusives, why would anyone get the more expensive, less powerful hardware that are consoles? They wouldn't. They would die out. The point is, consoles are only given hypothetical worth via exclusives. They're being given a hypothetical advantage, because there is literally no other reason to buy them. And as for competition, we don't need Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo's hardware for competition to exist. What about competition in the most basic sense possible here in the gaming world - Making a better game than your competition, or failing? If consoles were gone, there would be better games in general and they would come out more frequently, because that would be THE ONLY WAY to stay above the competition. No gimmicks, nothing irrelevant to gaming anymore. Consoles truly are doing nothing but negative for gaming, but consoles fans really don't need to worry about it. Console gaming is here to stay. Nothing to be proud of in any way though.


Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

''So if there were no exclusives, why would anyone get the more expensive, less powerful hardware that are consoles? ''

Consoles are sold at a loss initially and feature state of the art components at that time. No PC hardware manufacturer does that. I.e, it isn't ''more expensive'' and ''less powerful'' at the same time.
Why don't you show me a PC that cost the same as a PS2 in 2001 and could do what it did!? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.

''Consoles truly are doing nothing but negative for gaming''

I am a little perplexed why you got all the thumbs ups. Seems like a worthless rant to me.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

"BECAUSE YOU CAN'T"

Very arrogant, not to mention, very wrong statement. Anything a console can do, a PC can do. That's really all there is to it. The point of consoles is literally that they take older hardware and sell them for more. Otherwise, they would not make money. That's literally the entire point. There is no reason that, supposedly a console would have better hardware than any PC someone could possibly build at any given time. Console hardware is always DOA, let alone is it "better" than PC hardware. Sure, maybe for you. But for someone who knows how to build a computer, no.

"I am a little perplexed why you got all the thumbs ups. Seems like a worthless rant to me."

As you will perceive anything that does not promote consoles.


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Dr.Grass (on 18 December 2011)

FANBOY WAARRZZ GRrrrrr.

I'm out.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

Right, right, obviously just a fanboy war. Convenient once I prove you wrong.


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 18 December 2011)

To say that console Hardware is DOA is very arrogant on your part. When the 360 launched there were no PCs that could have been built that had the power of the 360, and here is the important part, FOR THE SAME PRICE.

Could you have built a more powerful gaming rig than the 360 when it launched? Absolutely, but not for the $450 USD that the Xbox360 cost out of the box, may for around $600+ USD.

The PS3 is a little different story. When it launched, you could probably build a gaming PC that was capable of the same graphics, but not the same processing power to match the CBP, as the PS3 for a little under the $600 USD that the PS3 launched at. But guess what, you would have no Blu-Ray drive. So your gaming rig would not be able to do everything that the PS3 could, and if you would have added a Blu-Ray drive to that PC, you would pretty much double the price of building that rig.

It seems that your argument is the very same argument of every PC fanboy out there. I am a PC gamer, but I do not see things the way that a lot of PC gamers do. They actually think that they are the superior gamer because they can upgrade their hardware and the flexibility that the PC offers them, with things like modding that extend the life of the average game.

The truth is, that while the PC does offer certain advantages, the user friendliness of the consoles, the fact that it is a dedicated gaming machine and everything that it does besides that is secondary, the fact that you can rest assure that we every generation of consoles their life cycles get longer and therefore, there is less and less need of upgrading, far outweigh anything that the PC offers gaming.

A good example is Skyrim. What does Skyrim offer Pc gaming that it doesn't offer console gaming? Modding and better graphics right. Well for me to enjoy the best possible graphics of Skyrim on my rig, would have meant me upgrading my graphics card meaning I would have to spend some where north of $150 USD plus the cost of the game, while I could just pay $60 USD and have practically the same experience (without the modding community) on my 360 or PS3.

Console gaming is not bad for the industry, in fact it is catching up to PC gaming in terms of graphical power, and for the price, PC can not beat it. PC gaming is not dying either, but it is becoming more and more niche and for parents like myself, that are gamers, and have kids that are starting to game as well, it is way more convenient to get consoles.

And until digital distribution offers the same amount of control as physical media offers in terms of what I can do with the product I purchase, it will never take of. As of right now the big corporations have all the power and control over the media they distribute digitally and that won't fly, and lets not even talk about the impossible problem that this country has with bandwith, as well as the fact that somewhere close to 40% of americans don't have access to high speed internet.


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duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

"To say that console Hardware is DOA is very arrogant on your part. "

How so? It's simply a fact. The way they make money on consoles is literally by using older hardware and charging more for it because it's pre-built. There is absolutely no reason why the 360 would only be able to have the graphical capabilities that it had. I guess the truth is arrogance, and I can't wait to read the rest of your post if you think a simple fact is arrogance.

"Could you have built a more powerful gaming rig than the 360 when it launched? Absolutely,"

Ahhh ok then. Well two seconds ago you said this fact was "arrogant".

"but not for the $450 USD that the Xbox360 cost out of the box, may for around $600+ USD."

Arrogant statement. You don't know how to do it, so nobody else does? Very closed minded and arrogant.

"The PS3 is a little different story. When it launched, you could probably build a gaming PC that was capable of the same graphics, but not the same processing power to match the CBP, as the PS3 for a little under the $600 USD that the PS3 launched at. But guess what, you would have no Blu-Ray drive."

... PUT ONE IN THEN? If you even WANT one in the first place. Most people still don't have one.

"The truth is, that while the PC does offer certain advantages, the user friendliness of the consoles, the fact that it is a dedicated gaming machine and everything that it does besides that is secondary, the fact that you can rest assure that we every generation of consoles their life cycles get longer and therefore, there is less and less need of upgrading, far outweigh anything that the PC offers gaming."

Defending the lack of an option is never valid. If you don't want to upgrade, then don't upgrade. You don't have to. Consoles don't even have the option.

"A good example is Skyrim. What does Skyrim offer Pc gaming that it doesn't offer console gaming? Modding and better graphics right. Well for me to enjoy the best possible graphics of Skyrim on my rig, would have meant me upgrading my graphics card meaning I would have to spend some where north of $150 USD plus the cost of the game, while I could just pay $60 USD and have practically the same experience (without the modding community) on my 360 or PS3."

An average graphics card from years ago would still be better than what the 360 and PS3 could offer, then you could play it with mods, any controller, etc. Face it, the consoles have no advantage here.

"Console gaming is not bad for the industry, in fact it is catching up to PC gaming in terms of graphical power, and for the price, PC can not beat it. PC gaming is not dying either, but it is becoming more and more niche and for parents like myself, that are gamers, and have kids that are starting to game as well, it is way more convenient to get consoles."

Why would old hardware EVER supposedly be on par, let alone better than the newest hardware? Are you implying that the entire computer industry would just stop when new consoles are out so companies such as Sony and Microsoft can have the best stuff out there? Hahahahaha. That's not the way it works. Pretty obvious that's what a lot of people here WANT to happen, but instead of saying that that's what you want, you guys go around insisting that it's a FACT.

"And until digital distribution offers the same amount of control as physical media offers in terms of what I can do with the product I purchase, it will never take of."

PC has always had the option to sidestep this problem altogether.


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 18 December 2011)

I really like how you only choose certain points to defend and present a counter argument to, but oh well.

Lets take a page out of your book shall we. Back in 2005 when the 360 was launched it had up to date hardware, it wasn't out of date. Again, there was hardware available that trumped the hardware on the 360, and you could have built a PC that was more powerful than the console, BUT NOT FOR THE PRICE of the 360.

I know how to build a computer, however I'm no expert but I've been doing that since the mid 90s, so I like to think that I'm pretty good at it.

I have done my research and my point still stands today, and that is that for the price of the admission on the 360, there was no way that you could have built a PC of the same capabilities or more than the console.

Same thing with the PS3, actually it's even more evident with the PS3. You keep telling us that PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, and that you can build a PC rig with the same capabilities of the consoles for less, and that is simply not true. Here are today's prices for a gaming rig, not top of the line mind you, just good enough:

Motherboard-MSI-ATX motherboard 2000 Mhz $85 USD
CPU-Core 2 e6700 Intel $86 USD
Memory-2GB PC2-5300 DDR2 $83 USD
HDD-Western Digital HDD 320gigs $100 USD
Graphics card-XFX - Radeon HD 6750 1GB DDR3 PCI $120 USD
Power supply-Thermaltake - 430W TR2 ATX $65 USD
Sound Card- Sound Blaster X-Fi $70 USD
Case-Antec - Three Hundred Computer Case $50 USD
BD Drive-LG - 10x Internal Blu-ray Disc Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive $160 USD
or
DVD drive-HP - 24x Internal Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive $40 USD
Now this is not all you need but your total for this gaming rig is $819 USD with the BD drive or $700 without it.

Now this are todays prices and this is by no means a "top of the line" gaming rig, it wasn't one back in 2006 when the PS3 it was barely a higher end one in 2005, so this would actually be a little more powerful than a 360 and PS3, not enough to be considered the better option in my book. How is that cheaper than a console? Not even counting a gaming keyboard/mouse combo and or a screen, which is not a requirement since most people today have a TV capable of handling a PC connection, so I won't throw that in there, or a controller.

So please lets see what you come up with.


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duckypwns (on 19 December 2011)

"I really like how you only choose certain points to defend and present a counter argument to, but oh well."

Vain, arrogant thing that you wouldn't say if we were having this conversation in person. I referred you to my response to every single point you made by quoting just a part of it. from now on, I will quote your ENTIRE PARAGRAPH so that you can't say this. How immature.

"Lets take a page out of your book shall we. Back in 2005 when the 360 was launched it had up to date hardware, it wasn't out of date. Again, there was hardware available that trumped the hardware on the 360, and you could have built a PC that was more powerful than the console, BUT NOT FOR THE PRICE of the 360."

Actually, yes, the 360 was DOA, as was the Wii, PS3, and every other console ever created. And yes, you could have created a PC better than the 360 for cheaper. That is a fact. You are simply stating the opposite of facts and it means absolutely nothing.

"I know how to build a computer, however I'm no expert but I've been doing that since the mid 90s, so I like to think that I'm pretty good at it."

Well, obviously you are not informed enough to know how to build a PC superior to and cheaper than the latest consoles which is entirely possible.

"I have done my research and my point still stands today, and that is that for the price of the admission on the 360, there was no way that you could have built a PC of the same capabilities or more than the console."

Again, simply stating the opposite of the truth means nothing. I don't care if you are doing this via ignorance or via your will to defend consoles - And it doesn't matter. It's wrong regardless.

"Same thing with the PS3, actually it's even more evident with the PS3. You keep telling us that PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming, and that you can build a PC rig with the same capabilities of the consoles for less, and that is simply not true. Here are today's prices for a gaming rig, not top of the line mind you, just good enough:


Motherboard-MSI-ATX motherboard 2000 Mhz $85 USD
CPU-Core 2 e6700 Intel $86 USD
Memory-2GB PC2-5300 DDR2 $83 USD
HDD-Western Digital HDD 320gigs $100 USD
Graphics card-XFX - Radeon HD 6750 1GB DDR3 PCI $120 USD
Power supply-Thermaltake - 430W TR2 ATX $65 USD
Sound Card- Sound Blaster X-Fi $70 USD
Case-Antec - Three Hundred Computer Case $50 USD
BD Drive-LG - 10x Internal Blu-ray Disc Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive $160 USD
or
DVD drive-HP - 24x Internal Double-Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Drive $40 USD
Now this is not all you need but your total for this gaming rig is $819 USD with the BD drive or $700 without it."

Make sure to conveniently neglect the fact that you won't have to buy a new case, a new power supply, etc. the only things you will usually have to replace after a few years are the graphics card, CPU, and RAM. RAM is dirt cheap and I have no idea why you would pay $83 for 2 gigs of RAM if you are familiar with building computers. I put together a computer vastly superior to this one for my younger cousin, it totaled to $710, it had a 4 core processor, 4 gigs of RAM, and a 6870. And guess what? You need a computer in this day and age anyway. Most people will go buy a pre-built one for $800, why not spend a few hundred dollars less to have a vastly superior computer, AND a gaming system?

"Now this are todays prices and this is by no means a "top of the line" gaming rig, it wasn't one back in 2006 when the PS3 it was barely a higher end one in 2005, so this would actually be a little more powerful than a 360 and PS3, not enough to be considered the better option in my book. How is that cheaper than a console?"

Very convenient that you say this on a computer that you built, and if you truly are familiar with making computers, you know exactly why you are wrong anyway.

"Not even counting a gaming keyboard/mouse combo and or a screen, which is not a requirement since most people today have a TV capable of handling a PC connection, so I won't throw that in there, or a controller.

So please lets see what you come up with."

Guess what? You need a TV and a controller for a console too. But oh, no, let's hold this against PC only, right?


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 19 December 2011)

"Vain, arrogant thing that you wouldn't say if we were having this conversation in person. I referred you to my response to every single point you made by quoting just a part of it. from now on, I will quote your ENTIRE PARAGRAPH so that you can't say this. How immature."

I guarantee you that if we were having this argument in person I would have the exact same response, maybe even worse since your smog arrogant "I know all attitude" would have probably gotten you a broken nose by now.

I have no desire to keep this up since your a completely self centered person who can not see reason. You will always fall back to your point less sanctimonious argument about how console gaming is holding gamin in general back.

Whatever, have fun with your sensationalist arguments that have no merit but that of a few people that give it to them. Your the reason why PC gamers are looked upon with disdain by regular folks.

Unbelievable!!!!!!!


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duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

Right, right. Once I prove literally every single one of your points wrong, I'm a "sensationalist". Very convenient and all, but the thing is, "I" don't care. This has nothing to do with "me". This argument doesn't go away regardless of whether I present it or not - but did it ever occur to you that maybe people have this opinion for a reason? Could it be that not everybody that disagrees with you is a sensationalist of some sort? No, no, clearly not.

lol. Have fun living in your little dream world.


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duckypwns (on 20 December 2011)

By the way, just found a deal for 16GB RAM for $77.99

And you told me it would cost $83 for 2 gigs of RAM... Woooooooooooow...


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MO-MO-KILLA (on 24 December 2011)

Never said you were a sensationalist dude. You have proved nothing, all you do is run your mouth about how "PC gaming is cheaper in the long run" and this and that. You say that console gaming is only cheaper if you only buy one console and five games.

Guess what dude? Most people only have one console, I myself have only bought two, a 360 and a PS3. The Wii in my house was bought by my wife, and most of the games I buy are used. Last game I payed full price for was Uncharted 3, before that Gears 3. That's it, in the last 12 months I have spent $120 USD on new games, every other game I have bought was used.

When I said that Pc gaming was more expensive, if you read my comments well and not just look them over and pick and choose different parts you will see that I always said "the cost of ENTRY". Meaning what it would cost to make the initial step into PC gaming, and that is just a little bit more than your $700 USD price point.

What bothers me about people like you is that you are the ones living in a dream world, where the best option always prevails, no one ever gets screwed and companies and govs always do the right thing. But unfortunately we do not live in that world, we live in a world were any company, yes including Valve, will screw over half of its customers if it meant a better bottom line.

Keep your elitist attitude my friend, I have a feeling that it has already deprived you of a lot in this life. Go back to your Lazboy and your proactive face wash.


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Michael-5 (on 17 December 2011)

I know PC gaming is cheaper, but they don't come with the exclusives console come with. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft make exclusive games with exceptional quality in order to encourage gamers to buy their console instead of the competition. If consoles didn't exist, game quality would be lower. Also like you said consistancy, but I would expand to standardization. On a PC, you can use any controller you like, or a keyboard and mouse. However what are you going to use when people come over? You can't all use keyboards and mouses (nor would you want to outside of strategy and fps titles), and having a standard controller is nice. Also Price. It's cheaper to one 1 console, then to own a PC capable of gaming when the new consoles come out. If you dn't build your own PC and buy pre-built models like most people do, two consoles could match the price of 1 PC.


duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

"I know PC gaming is cheaper, but they don't come with the exclusives console come with."

This is a pointless statement, because this is exactly what PC gamers argue are consoles' only hypothetical advantage.


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sirroman (on 16 December 2011)

Good read.


crissindahouse (on 16 December 2011)

"Companies would have never been driven to increase the graphical power of their systems if they didn't have a competitor to one up. Without the need to have a killer app to sell your console on, we would have never gotten great modern franchises such as Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet" who says that? without consoles maybe these developers would have made games like this only for pc. i believe as well the consoles helped to push quality if it comes to gameplay for some games or whatever but without consoles i wouldn't need the developers to push something to it's graphiclaay limits because even then games for pc look better. just look at the modder scene for pc this is one great part of pc gaming and consoles almost destroyed pc gaming. without consoles we could go back to pc and wow just look at those unbelievable mods for skyrim for example. if you don't like the look of skyrim just donwlaod some mods and yoyu have the look you like.


frank242 (on 17 December 2011)

consoles are cool,people fight for their favorite consoles,kill the consoles kill the games,i have iphone 4 and 3ds its so much better to play on a dedicate machine,i love all my consoles and i hate to play on pc,i love the games boxes,i love to chose the color of my consoles,like white xbox,black xbox,red wiis,consoles forever....


duckypwns (on 18 December 2011)

"Kill the consoles kill the games"?

It's already been explained several times how if there were no consoles games would come out more frequently and they would be better.


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usrevenge (on 16 December 2011)

gamers ARE on console, gamers moved from PC last gen because similar quality games were finally available for console with the controls to match. journalist think that IOS games are being played a lot inside at home, this just isnt the case. the vast majority of IOS games being played are at school, work, in the car. but soon as an xbox is nearby people play that. Consoles are going to stay there are rumors of an apple console as well. cloud gaming wouldn't be terrible if done right and chances are a DVD version will be available to buy and install to the HDD.