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Pre E3: Speculating on Project Cafe & Vita Launch Games

by Jacob Mazel, posted on 03 June 2011 / 5,823 Views

New systems from Nintendo & Sony are set to debut at E3. We won't know the trajectory of each system for quite some time but there is no harm in speculating about titles that will be shown at E3, to be launched in the launch year of each platform. Some NGP games have already been announced, so this article will focus mostly on Cafe, which has precisely zero confirmed launch game. Even so, I have listed some obvious NGP games that could be announced below the Cafe section.

Wii 2 / Cafe / Current / Stream


Very Likely Nintendo Games

From Nintendo, there are five candidates for Cafe that are likely for launch.

If you look back at the GC era, Nintendo's biggest games not to get sequels on Wii are Starfox, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, a main Pokemon game and various Mario Sports games. It is my belief that Luigi's Mansion is a one-off title, and not something intended to be a franchise. Pikmin 3 is supposedly in development - but no one really knows if its for Cafe, Wii, or 3DS. Wii has plenty of sports titles already, even though it doesn't have a Mario Golf or Tennis so some kind of sports game is probably in the works for Cafe. A new Pokemon title has previously been confirmed for Wii, and Pokemon is "a big-base" title - so it probably hasn't been moved to Cafe. That leaves Starfox as the 'main franchise' for Cafe.

Nintendo probably had some "motion control" game play ideas that couldn't be accomplished due to the limits of the motion technology or graphics of the Wii, and given the rumors surrounding Cafe, you'd expect a motion control game at launch. Miyamoto has said previously that he hasn't created a character based game in nearly 10 years and would be introducing a new property soon. Retro, after finishing Donkey Kong Country Returns for Wii in 2010, can have something ready for late 2012 too.

Given all of that, the likeliest Nintendo titles for the Cafe launch period are:

1) Starfox

2) A Motion Control oriented game

3) Miyamoto's new character based game

4) Pikmin 3

5) Retro's game

Somewhat Likely Nintendo Games


Going back a little bit further, to the SNES & N64 days, a couple other possibilites exist. F-Zero was pretty big for SNES and N64, but floundered on GC. 1080 Snowboarding, Wave Race and others sold well on N64, but not on GC - and Nintendo seems content to release 'multi' sports games rather than single sports games. Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story both did pretty well on the SNES and N64 so we might be due for some kind of new console Yoshi game. We've recently seen Nintendo revive Kid Icarus and PilotWings for 3DS, so some of Nintendo's older franchises from N64 / SNES could come back if Nintendo feels there is the possibility of game play improvement.

If Cafe launches in mid-late 2012 as is expected, Nintendo could also bring Smash Bros., Mario Party or Punch Out or some other big multi-player game that hasn't seen a release in 3-4 years. Fire Emblem is probably another title that would benefit from a graphical overhaul and online push, and could in theory arrive in 2012 given how long its been since the Wii game released. A 2D Mario console game could also be ready for late 2012, given that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will have released three years before by that point.

From this category, the most likely games are those that would likely perform quite well simply from better online gameplay and a big graphical increase.

1) F-Zero

2) Smash

3) Wave Race

Long Shot Launch Nintendo Games

Nintendo is known to be preparing Mario Kart and a 3D Super Mario game for 3DS for the end of the March 2012 fiscal year. If we look at DS & Wii, the 3D Mario games came three years apart, and the Mario Karts came two years apart. In other words, both titles are more likely for late 2013 and 2014 than they are in 2012 to early 2013.

Zelda, Kirby, Rhythm Heaven and Pokemon are likely Nintendo's big games on Wii for the next year or so. Since its difficult to imagine Nintendo meeting its Wii projections without these games, these franchises aren't coming to the Cafe in the launch year.

Of the long-shots, Mario Kart is probably the game with the longest odds for the Cafe launch period.

Third Party Launch Games for Cafe

Western third parties, despite their grumblings, have actually done fairly well on Wii. Japanese third parties have generally had much more trouble, save for Sega. Nintendo has also hinted in recent years that it has deep concerns about the Japanese video game market and would focus on the West. If that is the case, the third party Cafe launch lineup should be Western oriented.

The 10 most likely third party games for Cafe in the launch period are the following:

Sonic Generations (Sega)

Saint's Row (THQ)

A Tom Clancy game (Ubisoft)

Resident Evil 6 (Capcom)

Street Fighter vs. Tekken or Tekken vs. Street Fighter (Capcom / Namco)

Soul Calbur 5 (Namco)

Madden (EA)

Fifa (EA)

Call of Duty (Activision)

A Rockstar Game (Take Two)

The list is based on a) games that have come to 3DS, b) typical launch period games, c) what Wii had at launch. 3DS has had a pretty steady flow of fighters since it launched, as well as a Tom Clancy game. THQ announced Saint's Row for 3DS, but it appears to have been cancelled. Since Wii 2 should have a slightly older demographic than 3DS, with far higher attach rates and a Western focus, titles in the vein of what appeared on 3DS are likely a good preview of what is to come. Madden, Fifa, Call of Duty, and Resident Evil have each been modestly successful franchises on Wii, and could see significant expansion on Wii 2 with graphics and online play on par or better than on X360 and PS3. Soul Calibur and Street Fighter didn't release on Wii, but have previously sold very well on "core-oriented" Nintendo systems.

If I ran Nintendo, I'd probably give Rockstar $50 million to put GTA on Wii 2 with exclusive content - that would be a hell of a launch game, particularly if Cafe & GTA V both released in say, June 2012 in the West. Discussions have likely happened, given all the rumors about GTAV on Wii 2. Even if it isn't GTA V, Rockstar probably has something for Cafe, after largely ignoring Wii, given that GTA did alright on the DS by raw figures (but poorly by GTA standards). On the other hand, GTA has 20 million fans, and Cafe will probably have fewer than 10 million users at the end of 2012 even it launched in say, April, so without money from Nintendo, there is little incentive to put GTA V on Cafe.

The launch period will probably have some new, somewhat experiment games as well, but those are much harder to predict. If you put a gun to my head, I'd imagine Cafe sees 10 or so of these 15 titles by December 2012:

1) Starfox

2) Pikmin 3

3) Call of Duty

4) Saint's Row

5) Resident Evil 6

6) GTA V / Rockstar game

7) Sonic Generations

8) Tom Clancy title

9) Madden

10) Fifa

11) Soul Calibur 5

12) Street Fighter vs. Tekken

13) Miyamoto's new game

14) A major Motion-Control oriented game from Nintendo

15) Retro's new game

NGP / Vita / PSP 2

Known NGP Game Announcements

Some NGP games have already been announced. Uncharted, Call of Duty, Madden, Fifa, Monster Hunter, Little Deviants, Wipeout, Reality Fighters, Sound Shapes, Everyday Shooter, Hot Shots Golf, Resistance, Super Stardust, and Resistance and others are all supposed to be coming. Thats' already enough for a day one / month one line up, but a couple of other games are still pretty likely to be announced for NGP as well.

New NGP Announcements

Since PSP2 has similar horsepower to PS3, X360, and Cafe, some titles are fairly likely to be released simultaneously for all four platforms. However, since PSP is far more successful than PS3, X360 and Wii in Japan, the system will probably get substantial Japanese exclusives initially. The following games that have yet to be announced strike me as quite likely for PSP2 within a year of launch:

1) GTA

2) LittleBigPlanet

3) Tekken vs. Street Fighter or Street Fighter vs. Tekken

4) Kingdom Hearts

5) Winning Eleven

6) Resident Evil 6

7) Tomb Raider

8) Soul Calibur 5

9) Devil May Cry

10) White Knight Chronicles

My speculation for the above ten titles is similar to Cafe - some games like Madden are simply 'launch games'. White Knight Chronicles, if changed subtly could probably perform very well on NGP - the same goes for Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, LBP and Kingdom Hearts. GTA and fighters have also put up respectable numbers on the original PSP, so I don't see why they wouldn't be continued on NGP.

Amongst the confirmed games, we have several new properties. Sony likely will try to take advantage of NGP's innovative hardware features at launch too. I think its pretty fair to expect Parappa the Rappa like innovation from either Sony or third parties in addition to what has already been shown.

Overall, the launch line for NGP should be strong, particularly for those who like games made in Japan.

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31 Comments

gustave154 (on 04 June 2011)

new monster hunter for NGP would be awesome...


padib (on 03 June 2011)

Given the money Nintendo will be throwing at Rockstar's face, I concur with glimmer_of_hope. People who write articles on this site have generally reached a level of non-fanboyism for the most part, so ElGranCabeza's comment is kinda dumb and I can see why glimmer_of_hope replied that way. The premise of the article clearly mentions that Vita has confirmed titles, wheres Cafe is really a black box until June 6th, so just brace yourselves and have fun.


glimmer_of_hope (on 03 June 2011)

And you can see when a customer really likes a product, in this case Sony products. And doesn't care about other products, in this case Nintendo. Your jealousy (and hatred) for Cafe compared to NGP is astounding in your comment. Furthermore, GTA5 on Cafe SHOULD be expected by any Nintendo fans, when it comes out that will be great. And given the amazing sales on all combined consoles, and everyone is waiting for GTA5, i would exactly expect this.


ElGranCabeza (on 03 June 2011)

You can see when someone really likes a product, in this case Nintendo products, and doesn't care about other products, in this case Sony products. The level of detail (and wishes) for the Cafe compared to NGP is astounding in this article. Furthermore, GTAV on Cafe should NOT be expected by any Nintendo fans, if it comes then that's great, but given the poor sales of CW and the fact there's never been a GTA on a Nintendo console, I wouldn't exactly expect this.


padib (on 07 June 2011)

I should really get to making that official IP by Manufacturer thread on the forum...


kayoss (on 06 June 2011)

@z101 You honestly believe that Graphic will determine the success of the console. If that is the case why did the Wii outsold the Xbox 360 and PS3? Both the 360 and PS3 are more superior to the wii in terms of graphics. The problem with nintendo is their lack of killer games . Yes the motion controller was a fad and people came to realize that, it was fun for a while but than all the games that they released are the same over and over again. Some are rehash of old games such as Mario (how many Mario games do we freakin need???) The graphics on the Wii sport was horrible, it was like playing a damn SNES game but yet it outsold any game during its time. Nintendo need 3rd party games and they dont have that. Now that Nintendo is getting into the HD console, it will always be playing catch up to the other 2 HD consoles. Graphic is just the icing on a game, the most important thing IMO is gameplay. If the gameplay is fun (among other things) then it will become successful. take angry birds for an example, the graphic is very mediocre, but game play and fun factor made the game a success. There are really fun games for the ps3 and 360 that lack graphic but was still successful such as flowers, Princess mouthful of cake to name a few.


z101 (on 06 June 2011)

On PS360 it is all about graphics. Uncharted, Halo, GTA, Call of Duty etc. are successfull because of their killer graphics and not because they are inventive. If nintendo is smart and makes sure that the third parties bring their shooters to cafe with better graphics a lot of ps3360-gamers will buy the new console. The problem for Microsoft and Sony is that they have no IPs that draw gamer to them. Uncharted and Halo are exchangeable with every other shooter. But nintendo has very strong IPs. A new console with better graphics than PS360 AND the third party shooters AND the nintendo games would get many, many of the core gamers that own a PS360 right now ... if the price is right. 350$ max.


kayoss (on 06 June 2011)

Here is my take on Cafe, the problem is that Cafe has been out of the HD games for almost 5 years. During that time most of the 3rd party developers invested their time to SOny and Microsoft. Like someone else posted here, It is a big risk to make games for the Cafe, because most hardcore gamers either own a PS3, Xbox360, or both. Most likely the only people who will pick up the Cafe are hardcore gamers who already own a wii and doesnt own either the PS3 or Xbox360 (there will be a select few who will buy the console for its exclusive games and that will depend on the cost of the cafe). Most Wii owners are parents who bought the console for their kids, I dont think they will go out and buy a cafe for their kids. Just imagine, Sony came out with the ps3 a year after the Xbox 360, and since then its been struggling to catch up. Nintendo now decides to release a HD console 5 years later and now its not only competing against the xbox 360, but it is also competing against the PS3, and Vita. In a 2-4 years, im assuming that Sony and microsoft will release a new console and nintendo will just be playing catch up in the HD war. Another problem with nintendo is their lack of games. Games that are aimed for hard core gamers. Over the last 10 years or so, we see the same damn thing on their console. Mario this, donkey kong that, zelda here, pokemon, star fox, and metroid. No new ips at all. just my opinions on the matter.


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IamAwsome (on 05 June 2011)

@sep85dd Retro can't make a Conker, or Banjo-Threeie game because they are owned by Rare


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torchmoney1 (on 05 June 2011)

LET BE FORREAL DO NINTEN HAVE ANY OTHER IDEA BESIDE THE TITLE THAT THEY ALWAYS MAKE I DONT THINK SO .


torchmoney1 (on 05 June 2011)

see yall want nintendo to fail cause nobody is going to buy these game like pikmin for the new system i dont think so i would like to see f zero star fox no kiby really i dont care what nintendo do cause im tried of the gimmicks i will never by another nintendo system again until i c hardcore facts .people is not rushing to by ninetdo system not like before cause of too many gimmicks even nintendo know that they company base on gimmicks ..not wating my money this time and im a real nintendo fan


sep85dd (on 05 June 2011)

I think, the Retro Game is Banjo Threeie, Conker or Starfox. I Hope, Retro can make it again, like 2010.


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Gimgak (on 04 June 2011)

The launch for the Wii 2 will hopefully be promising, if it's like the 3DS though I'll be skipping out. Never bought a Wii due to there being around 10 games or so in its history released that I had a remote interest in, I'm afraid it'll be the same unless a few really good launch titles come. Then (if backwards compatibility exists) I'd definitely buy the console as I love Star Fox and hated that nintendo never released one for the wii.


ElGranCabeza (on 04 June 2011)

LOL @ glimmer_of hope thinking I'm a NGP, or Sony, fanboy. No interest in the NGP whatsoever and one of the biggest defenders of the 3DS, but then again I think I wasted my money on the Wii, so I guess I'm a Nintendo hater and Sony fanboy! FYI, it's common knowledge that Jacob is Nintendo biased.


padib (on 04 June 2011)

@ail It's a stretch prediction I find. Nintendo has been known to change faces over the course of its existence. To say it's been kid safe really only takes into account the last 3 generations, despite even efforts by Ninty themselves to attract the mature (Perfect Dark, Conker's bad fur day, Eternal Darkeness). In the NES days, the console was for all ages, but not necessarily for kids. Even if it were also targeting kids, the games were not kiddy and so it was not garnering that specific image. Iwata is also known to be a game changer in his career (he revitalized a crashing Hal), and so I don't see Ninty having any probs shapeshifting this gen.


Conegamer (on 04 June 2011)

I can't wait to see Cafe (and NGP) in action at E3! :-D Also, I agree about Nintendo paying for GTA V. It'd attract the core crowd immensely. Although maybe not that much. Maybe that split between GTA V and Resi 6? ;-)


naznatips (on 04 June 2011)

No new Monster Hunter has been announced for NGP, only MHP3rd is playable on it (as are all PSP games on PSN).


SecondWar (on 04 June 2011)

There is a Mario Tennis game for the Wii, it was released under the New Play Control series


Ail (on 04 June 2011)

@padib Yeah but the marketing of GTA5 could come back and hit Nintendo square in the face. Nintendo consoles have always been considered safe for kids and there are a lot of parents out there that do not like GTA... Besides I tend disagree with the power it would have, GTA5 will be on the current HD consoles too so it's not like HD owners will buy the Wii2 for it..As for the marketing message what will it be ? Buy the Wii2 we can finally run the same games Microsoft and Sony have been running on their consoles for the last 5 years ? That's the risk if all the third parties titles are on the 360 and the PS3 too...


Ghutto (on 04 June 2011)

I want a New Monster Hunter for Cafe and a New RPG from Monolith Soft.


gergroy (on 04 June 2011)

Most the article made sense. I don't see how you came to the rockstar conclusion however. Everything about the way those two companies behave seems to suggest they would not be very good working together.


glimmer_of_hope (on 03 June 2011)

@MO-MO-KILLA OMG ! Dude what are you talking about. I wrote the exact same thing ElGranCabeza (who you defended) but in reverse lol. I'm simply mocking what he wrote. He's going on about fanboys, and yet he's getting choked because the writer didn't pay attention to NGP. I couldn't give a toss which console gets what games.....


padib (on 03 June 2011)

Ail, that definitely makes sense. Mind you though, if they were to throw say half a million at Rockstar, a 60$ a pop, if it sells 2 million copies, well I'll let you do the math. Okay, fair its a 3rd party, but lets say Nintendo makes a 3$ royalty a pop, 6M$. Not only that, but it is especially the marketing value this gives to Cafe that is unimaginable. Remember, it's the launch titles that define the image for at least the first 3 years of a console.


superchunk (on 03 June 2011)

Interesting game choices. I think cafe will have some boxed in game that really demos the screen tech, pikmin 3 and smash bros from Nintendo within the first 3 months with plenty of 3rd party ports that include special features.


thekitchensink (on 03 June 2011)

Man, it would be nice if people read the first paragraph of an article before bashing it. "Some NGP games have already been announced, so this article will focus mostly on Cafe, which has precisely zero confirmed launch game" The author openly states his reason for focusing more on Cafe. Why the hell does he need to speculate on the Vita's launch games when we already know many of them? Now, to the actual topic here: Smash Bros, please!


Ail (on 03 June 2011)

In any case paying for GTA5 content would not be a good financial deal. GTA5 will sell roughly 15 millions or more units on HD consoles and due to the install base it will probably struggle to pass 2 millions on the Wii2 if it were to release on that console....Due to those numbers Rockstar would be in a position to ask for a lot of money..


Ail (on 03 June 2011)

the issue with paying Rockstar for exclusive GTA content is that after that you have to advertise heavilly and such advertising right at the release of the Wii2 will not please parents groups and all those that associate GTA with violence. So Far Nintendo has managed not to draw the wrath of those people and I doubt they want to suddenly associate themselves with the image of violent game right as their console releases...


MO-MO-KILLA (on 03 June 2011)

I think it is only fare to point out the fact that the author spent 3/4 of the article writing about Nintendo and only about two paragraphs speaking about the NGP. I don't think that ElGranCabeza was bashing Nintendo or hating, I think that he has a valid point. You on the other hand glimmer_of_hope, seem to be a raging Ninty fanboy, the type that rushes to start a flame war at the mere thought of someone not absolutely, madly loving Ninty. I love Ninty as much as the next guy, but your attack on a commenter just for pointing out something that is so clearly there to be noticed, is completely unwarranted and to be honest, it stinks to the high heavens of complete fanboyism and need for approval. DEATH TO ALL FANBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!