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Mr Puggsly on 26 April 2019

In regard to MS, we anticipate low and high end models at launch. With the goal of achieving a low and high price points likely based on varying GPU power. Maybe they could even get as low as $299 if its truly budget hardware.

Sony was vague about the specs of PS5 hardware, they may do the same.

There hasn't really been a price war this gen, the MSRP of 8th gen consoles is still $300 ignoring frequent deals. The X1S is $250 but that thing is shit so we'll pretend it doesn't exist.

With that said, it seems possible X1 and PS4 hardware could be phased out quickly when 9th gen consoles launch. Regardless, 8th gen software support would continue for years.

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Edit: I meant to put this in Gaming Discussion... oh well...



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vivster on 26 April 2019

So you don't believe that 8th gen consoles will be considerably cheaper than 9th gen consoles when they launch?



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Trumpstyle on 26 April 2019
vivster said:
So you don't believe that 8th gen consoles will be considerably cheaper than 9th gen consoles when they launch?

Nothing is confirmed yet, but it's very likely microsoft is launching a cheap 4TF disc-less console for $250-$300 and a more expensive 12TF version with a disc-drive for $500. So for microsoft is should be no point to keep selling 8th gen consoles as they won't be cheaper.

But for Sony PS4 should be about $100 cheaper than PS5, maybe $150 if they do a super slim version.



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JRPGfan on 26 April 2019

If Sony does a Super Slim, you ll be seeing the PS4 on shelves for alot of years yet.



Bofferbrauer2 on 26 April 2019

The NVidia RTX 2080 came out a couple months ago. Is there any reason NVidia produce other cards, as they are all weaker?

Might seem dumb, but that's exactly the kind of argument you're using here. And of course there will be a couple reasons:

  1. Much cheaper. An XBO or PS4 will be about half the price, if not even less, than their successors.
  2. The general public probably doesn't know about the backwards compatibility, either.
  3. The proposed $300 Xbox next probably won't come at launch. What's the point of having a console that's weaker than the One X when the latter would still be selling? They'd rather just make next gen games run on the X, much cheaper.


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Mr Puggsly on 26 April 2019
JRPGfan said:
If Sony does a Super Slim, you ll be seeing the PS4 on shelves for alot of years yet.

7th gen may have ended the expectation of cheap hardware at the end of a gen. If you wanted a PS3 and 360 with a HDD, I think they were like $250 until the end.

With that said, the 8th gen is nearing the end and they're still averaging $299 and even higher for the mid gen upgrades.

If they can make a PS5 starting at $299, it doesn't make much sense to continue the PS4.



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Cobretti2 on 26 April 2019

From a core gamers perspective in a well paying job, no.

But from someone who can't afford a console at launch it is a god send. The price cut will mean they will be able to play games. Granted later then most people but still will be able to enjoy it.



 

 

Mr Puggsly on 26 April 2019
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The NVidia RTX 2080 came out a couple months ago. Is there any reason NVidia produce other cards, as they are all weaker?

Might seem dumb, but that's exactly the kind of argument you're using here. And of course there will be a couple reasons:

  1. Much cheaper. An XBO or PS4 will be about half the price, if not even less, than their successors.
  2. The general public probably doesn't know about the backwards compatibility, either.
  3. The proposed $300 Xbox next probably won't come at launch. What's the point of having a console that's weaker than the One X when the latter would still be selling? They'd rather just make next gen games run on the X, much cheaper.

1. That didn't really happen with 360 and PS3. They stayed expensive, especially if you wanted a console with a HDD.

2. The public will know about BC if it gets hyped and they could demonstrate how it will improve 8th gen games.

3. The big question is can they launch next gen hardware for $299. IF THEY CAN, then it makes sense to kill off 8th gen hardware quickly. I don't think its crazy to assume they could make something with X1X GPU power in 2020 for $299. The X1X will be three years old at that point. Maybe MS will be willing to lose some money on hardware given all the subscription services.



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Mr Puggsly on 26 April 2019
Trumpstyle said:
vivster said:
So you don't believe that 8th gen consoles will be considerably cheaper than 9th gen consoles when they launch?

Nothing is confirmed yet, but it's very likely microsoft is launching a cheap 4TF disc-less console for $250-$300 and a more expensive 12TF version with a disc-drive for $500. So for microsoft is should be no point to keep selling 8th gen consoles as they won't be cheaper.

But for Sony PS4 should be about $100 cheaper than PS5, maybe $150 if they do a super slim version.

Two things about the budget model. I hope the reaction towards X1S Digital ends any thoughts of a discless console at launch. I'd also hate to see less GPU power than the X1X, primarily because BC in the budget model should be at par with X1X specs.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 26 April 2019
Mr Puggsly said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The NVidia RTX 2080 came out a couple months ago. Is there any reason NVidia produce other cards, as they are all weaker?

Might seem dumb, but that's exactly the kind of argument you're using here. And of course there will be a couple reasons:

  1. Much cheaper. An XBO or PS4 will be about half the price, if not even less, than their successors.
  2. The general public probably doesn't know about the backwards compatibility, either.
  3. The proposed $300 Xbox next probably won't come at launch. What's the point of having a console that's weaker than the One X when the latter would still be selling? They'd rather just make next gen games run on the X, much cheaper.

1. That didn't really happen with 360 and PS3. They stayed expensive, especially if you wanted a console with a HDD.

2. The public will know about BC if it gets hyped and they could demonstrate how it will improve 8th gen games.

3. The big question is can they launch next gen hardware for $299. IF THEY CAN, then it makes sense to kill off 8th gen hardware quickly. I don't think its crazy to assume they could make something with X1X GPU power in 2020 for $299. The X1X will be three years old at that point. Maybe MS will be willing to lose some money on hardware given all the subscription services.

1. Don't expect PS5 below 499$, at which point even a 249$ pricepoint would still be just half as much.

2. Improve 8th gen games? Very doubtful, as that would need new textures and code on games that don't sell anymore. It's just not worth it for the publishers, they'd rather release a remastered version to sell it again to you. Sony might do that for their own games, but that's about it.

3. Even in 7nm the chip for the X1X would still be huge and expensive, too expensive to sell the chip alone for less than 120$ to Microsoft. At 359mm2, it's 50% bigger than a Polaris chip, and the 7nm process would just bring that down to about Polaris size. Add to this the RAM and any other parts and you're very quickly above a 300$ Pricetag. since your 300$ build is supposed to be at least X1X power, you'll have to accept also X1X price, and by then that should still be around 400$



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