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Cradle Games Director: PS5 and Next Xbox Won't be Discless, Might Use Cartridges

Cradle Games Director: PS5 and Next Xbox Won't be Discless, Might Use Cartridges - News

by William D'Angelo , posted on 02 May 2019 / 3,944 Views

Rumors and predictions for the next generation of consoles have been on the rise lately. Analysts have predicted the PlayStation 4 and next generation Xbox will be announced this year, but won't release until fall 2020.

Marc-André Jutras, technical director of Cradle Games, speaking with GamingBolt discussed the next generation consoles and predicted there will be a version with disc drive. However, he did say there will be a version of the consoles that will be discless.

 

"I think they will have a discless version, but I think that for the next generation there will still be a version with discs, said Jutras. "There are a few reasons: not everyone has internet, and if you do have internet, a lot of people don’t have enough bandwidth to download 80GB per game. The current generation of games is huge. Not everyone can afford to download a game and its patches, there are still internet providers who have bandwidth caps. And if we have bandwidth issues here, you can imagine that it might be worse in other countries.

"The second issue I see is that if you go with a version of a console that has no disc, then why would GameStop sell those consoles? The whole market is you sell the games for profit. So you pretty much say, “hey, sell our console that makes you no profit, and sell no games”. So I don’t think you will see discs die this generation. But one thing I would like to see is, because right now I have issues with Blu Rays, they are slow to load. So that’s why in the last generation of consoles, you have games with long loading times, and the games needing to be installed."


Jurtras feels that games coming on cartridges or USB keys will lower load times and could be a possibility for the consoles. 

"One thing I would like to see, is some games should be able to be offered on cartridges or USB keys," he said. "For developers when we end up trying to ship games on a disc, it’s pretty much always the same issue, you have not have your game ready ahead of time by two months, so they can be pressed on disc. I think the issue of having a disc or a USB key or a cartridge is pretty much the same. I could see that printing Blu Rays takes time, just to do it properly. Flashing a USB key with an existing image on the other hand is much faster."


A life-long and avid gamer, William D'Angelo was first introduced to VGChartz in 2007. After years of supporting the site, he was brought on in 2010 as a junior analyst, working his way up to lead analyst in 2012. He has expanded his involvement in the gaming community by producing content on his own YouTube channel and Twitch channel dedicated to gaming Let's Plays and tutorials. You can contact the author at wdangelo@vgchartz.com or on Twitter @TrunksWD.


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17 Comments
DonFerrari (on 04 January 2019)

Much costier to have the cartridge, printing Bluray is faster, and since all is installed on the VG the speed of the media is irrelevant.

But at least he got half right with there will be next gen and there will be media options.

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Megiddo (on 04 January 2019)

Whoever made this prediction has absolutely no idea how expensive cartridges for 100+ GB capacity would be to make.

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Cobretti2 (on 04 January 2019)

It is a pipe dream but look at the benefits.

Games will be 50GB-300GB in size with some of the bloody patches they release. Now how many games can u install of that size before you need a bigger hdd?

Imaging if you used carts/game cards whatever you want to call them these days.

Make them read/write so you can fit the game plus patches on the card in the write component of it.

Save files should also be stored on there and backed up to cloud and/or local machine.

Now here are the benefits:

  • No longer need to install games
  • No longer need to have large hdds in the TBs
  • No longer need to uninstall games when hdd space runs out
  • No need to worry about backing up patches (if that is even possible atm, ever bothered to try, only on WiiU it worked well, I think on PS4 you had to back up the whole thing)
  • Suddenly your modern console will now work as a retro console in future when all the online services are shut down and you cant get the patches again, as you already got all the patches and updates for each game on each cart


    CONCLUSION, I WOULD PAY THE EXTRA $10-20 FOR THESE BENEFITS AS IN THE LONG RUN BUYING BIGGER HDDS AND WORRYING ABOUT PATCHES AND MANAGING BACKUPS IS A MORE TIME CONSUMING TASK THAT IS WORTH TH EXTRA CASH.

    Now those those who don't give a shit and just uninstall and reinstall games or play once uninstall and sell. Then you can get your games on BluRay cheaper.

    Doesn't hurt to have options.

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Jumpin (on 04 January 2019)

A better alternative to both cartridges and discs would be game cards like the Switch and generally every other electronic device with expandable memory.

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SuperNintend0rk Jumpin (on 04 January 2019)

When he said cartridges, I think he was referring to what the Switch uses or a similar technology. That was my interpretation anyway.

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Bofferbrauer2 Jumpin (on 04 January 2019)

Switch Gamecards are counted as cartridges as far as I know.

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tripenfall Jumpin (on 05 January 2019)

I agree but remember that this kind of memory is EXPENSIVE compared to a 50GB Blu Ray disc. This is illustrated by the current state of Switch Physical releases. Despite the fact that there's a 32GB Switch Cart available devs haven't used it yet due to the high cost. LA Noire was an example of this - Rockstar filled a 16GB cart and made the user download the rest to make it a viable release. If PS5 games are going to be 100+GB that will be too expensive to do on a Cart.

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SuperNintend0rk Jumpin (on 05 January 2019)

Agreed. Games next gen will only get larger in size, whereas the Switch has file sizes closer to last gen thanks to heavy compression.

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Dr.Vita (on 05 January 2019)

Hopefully not, cartridges are very old-fashioned and doesn't seem like something Sony would produce.

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Mr Puggsly (on 04 January 2019)

Yeah, maybe every game on a SSD. I mean a 128GB SSD is getting cheap. Seriously though, it will continue to be discs because its a cheap medium and the what's on them is becoming useless given most games have huge patches that essentially redownload the entire game. Carts would be nice as a collector's item but its more expensive and dont hold enough data at a reasonable price.

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mjk45 (on 04 January 2019)

Doesn't he realise that even with cartridges and USB keys you will still have a couple of months delay between games completion and shipping . blu-ray stamping is very fast, the logistics is what takes time.

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TheBird (on 04 January 2019)

Without discs 90% of my BC catalog would be destroyed, cartridges seem completely out of the question, unless it were to be a second slot beside the disc reader and an option for small game developers who have really small games (If it is even cheaper for them, idk the price difference).

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Mr.GameCrazy (on 04 January 2019)

I highly doubt the PS5 and the next Xbox would use game cards.

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Bofferbrauer2 shikamaru317 (on 05 January 2019)

Blu-rays are still much cheaper, but getting more and more expensive as their production diminishes more and more. In the meanwhile, Flash Memory is getting cheaper and cheaper, but is still ways to go to reach a price similar to optical discs.

In my opinion, the next gen will still use optical discs, but I think it will be the last gen to do so as optical drives have reached their limits, but solid state memory didn't do so yet.

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