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hiccupthehuman
posted 21/11/2018, 02:48
Ok. Well if Square Enix was apparently not satisfied with the sales from the exclusivity association with MS, why did they partner again with MS for Shadow of the Tomb Raider marketing? Message | Report |
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Lekzie69
posted 28/10/2018, 03:54
@Replicant by the looks of it, based on shadow of the tomb raider sales, the series taken a lot of damage. Message | Report |
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Replicant
posted 09/10/2018, 01:15
@hiccupthehuman - Call it what you want. Darrell Gallagher was "let go". Message | Report |
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hiccupthehuman
posted 23/09/2018, 02:51
@Replicant From where do you pull the info that he was fired? Cause from the Square Enix CEO Phil Rogers it's pretty clear he left on his own and was not fired. "I am sad to see him go but respect HIS decision and we should all celebrate the sheer blood, sweat and tears he has put into our company over the last 10 years!" Seems like you're making things up. Message | Report |
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Replicant
posted 16/09/2018, 09:41
@Mr Puggsly - Darrell Gallagher from Crystal Dynamics made the deal with Microsoft, got fired by Square Enix, and now has a highly paid position at Microsoft as the studio head at "The Initiative". Talk about under-the-table agreement. :/ Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 26/06/2017, 08:54
@Replicant - He left to go work on Call of Duty. Message | Report |
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Replicant
posted 26/03/2017, 09:33
It seems that Square Enix wasn't at all satisfied with the sales numbers, since they fired Darrell Gallagher (CEO of Crystal Dynamics who made the deal with Microsoft) shortly after the XB1 version released. With digital, Tomb Raider (2013) sold 5 mill between PS3 and PS4, which is the majority of its sales. How could Darrell possibly think that keeping RotTR away from PS4 would benefit the IP? I enjoy the games a lot and I really hope this haven't damaged the IP long term. Hopefully, we'll see Shadow of the Tomb Raider (or whatever it's gonna be called) as a multiplat release without any exclusivity. Message | Report |
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Kerotan
posted 27/01/2017, 02:48
Ps4 version just past this. Wow Message | Report |
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Jigsawx1
posted 22/12/2016, 04:31
+ bundles and digital perhaps it is at 2 million Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 22/12/2016, 09:47
Its about 400K sales from TR 2013 on 360. But with digital sales it might already be there. Its evident you're upset this came to X1 first, time to get over it. Message | Report |
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Kerotan
posted 21/12/2016, 08:45
SE definitely won't be happy with these sales. Message | Report |
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Rob5VGC
posted 21/12/2016, 11:51
@Mr Puggsly Oh, Puggs. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 23/11/2016, 06:10
@Rob5VGC - Phil wants games of genres on the X1 and somehow he was able to lock this as a console exclusive for a year. Kudos on getting that done. But nobody expected this to do Uncharted 4 numbers, not even close. Message | Report |
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Rob5VGC
posted 25/07/2016, 05:49
MS wanted to counter Uncharted 4. U4 outsells RoTR in the 1st week. smh Message | Report |
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hiccupthehuman
posted 10/05/2016, 12:23
I just finished it. Story felt very similar to the 2013 game, except with a father issue tapped into it. I didn't feel attached to any of the characters, and the story could have been better told. Gameplay wise it's pretty good. I'd rate it 7.5/10. Sales wise It's doing ok, which is well deserved. Message | Report |
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sales2099
posted 23/04/2016, 09:39
Happy it broke 1 million, offcourse the PC version brought in more sales of its own. By the end of the year I think the deal was justified. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 09/03/2016, 07:27
I just noticed the first 10 weeks of sales were virtually the same as TR 2013 on 360. Thats interesting. Message | Report |
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darkenergy
posted 23/02/2016, 01:18
Compared to Tomb Raider on the 360, this is doing ok. Message | Report |
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darkneal
posted 20/02/2016, 06:53
Really dissapointed with US sales. Considering thats where Xbox's majority owners are based it sucks there were more sales from Europe. I guess Europe has always been TR's real home, lets hope the PS players support it upon release. (Although i understand if they don't on principle) Message | Report |
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SlayerRondo
posted 12/02/2016, 03:25
It will be great when it comes to the PS4. I was initially pissed it was not coming to the PS4 day one but my back catalogue is so bad its probably a good thing. The sales of the game on the PS4 are likely hurt at as result of this though. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 09/02/2016, 06:37
Just finished it, great game. I got it on 360 as well and that's a good excuse to play it again. To Sony fans, it'll still be a great game when it comes to PS4. Message | Report |
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Rob5VGC
posted 04/02/2016, 08:39
1 million! Message | Report |
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hiccupthehuman
posted 04/02/2016, 05:08
I like this game. Still have to finish it but it is lots of fun! Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 25/01/2016, 06:43
@Skeetys - Not really. Could sell 2 million+ between 360 and X1. We don't know digital numbers either. On top of that, will make more money on PC and PS4. Great game, will do fine. Message | Report |
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GodOfPeace3
posted 21/01/2016, 01:43
wow... sad Message | Report |
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darkenergy
posted 12/01/2016, 12:28
@Mr Puggsly yeah I know even the PS4/3 version wouldn't reach that if it was only available for those platforms, they even called Forza 6 a flop even though it already sold more than 1 million physically without digital, hell it is likely Forza 6 European sales already surpass Forza 5's lifetime sales. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 11/01/2016, 10:56
@darkenergy - People are gonna complain about the sales even if it does over 2 million. Sales between 360 and X1 are solid. But people will call it a flop if it doesent achieve 8 million sales like the original between 5 platform. Message | Report |
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darkenergy
posted 09/01/2016, 12:56
@dadrik people are buying it, the first Tomb Raider sold 1.8 million physical on the 360 with an 80 million userbase. This is already halfway that number, give it time. Message | Report |
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SupaHype
posted 08/01/2016, 06:22
Please keep in mind that these charts do not count digital sales, only physical copies. So sales are higher than what is displayed here. Message | Report |
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Dadrik
posted 07/01/2016, 09:44
This game deserves so much more... Why aren't people buying it ? TT.TT Message | Report |
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drmaster2
posted 05/01/2016, 04:36
Well, glad it wasn't a complete flop. Still patiently waiting for my PS4 edition. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 04/01/2016, 07:01
Yep, million sold between both Xbox consoles. Maybe it will do 2 million before it comes to PS4. Not a big hit, but not a flop either. Message | Report |
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FloatingWaffles
posted 04/01/2016, 06:27
Microsoft confirmed this sold over a million. Message | Report |
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Carl
posted 28/12/2015, 04:33
I was being serious when I said people will be moderated. Talk about the game, not each other. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 27/12/2015, 09:09
Ouch indeed. When you have 6 or 7 months exclusiveness less then a title like this would succeed in the summer. Aaron greenberg defended putting three exclusives within 3/4 weeks of one another by saying xbox sees the majority of its sales in the holiday season. It didn't work for SO and not for rottr so ms gotta start timing their games to be more spacious and more smartly. Tr is still very relevant but who's gonna buy tr on the day of fallout and like a week or two after halo and a week before star wars. Madness! Message | Report |
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chidori-chan2
posted 27/12/2015, 08:17
249,223 So this game sell only this ammount in the US? ouch... Message | Report |
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GodOfPeace3
posted 27/12/2015, 05:11
Puggsly, you are the biggest fanboy in denial I've ever seen. And I spew crap? I'm looking at stats and commenting on them. Go prove me wrong on anything I've said and I'll admit to being wrong. Message | Report |
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curtisghall
posted 27/12/2015, 04:43
compared to the nathan drake collection it's either the franchise is not as big as it once was or playstation owners are willing to wait Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 25/12/2015, 01:27
On a side note, numerous late ports on PS3 were successful. That shows people will play great games even if they come late. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 25/12/2015, 01:18
When Skeetys is on a Xbox wall he generally just spews crap. He genuinely hopes for the worst when MS is involved. This is no different than the usual stuff he posts. Sales for X1 and 360 combined (physical and digital ) might be near 2 million before the PS4 version comes. PC sales should be fairly strong as well. The series is doing fine. Message | Report |
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darkenergy
posted 24/12/2015, 11:58
@Skeetys you do realise that Playstation fans also buys the SAME exact games on their consoles as well? Seriously people who have either the X1 or Playstation pretty much buys the yearly games this isn't an Xbox only thing if you actually bothered to look at the PlayStation 4 software sales. Tomb Raider isn't dead, in comparison to the 360 with a 80 million plus installment when the first Tomb Raider released in 2013 vs the X1 17 million I say ROTTR is doing ok. Message | Report |
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darkneal
posted 24/12/2015, 06:54
I think the bottom line for microsoft getting this game was to get some sony fanboys to grab an xbox so they could play one of their cherished ip's. I imagine they must have known actual xbox owners had other gaming priotities over xmas. Safe to say the decision has def backfired but will be interesting to know the number of PS4 owners who did double up. Until Dawn got me to double up and get a PS4 despite my xbox loyalty for ex. Message | Report |
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IsaacWeed
posted 23/12/2015, 04:28
I thinks this game it's actually selling well, it already has 200k plus than the definitive edition on xbox one, plus all digital copies sold, i think this game would be close to a million early in january(phsyical + digital). It will sell more on PS4, but on xbox has shown an increase in sales. Message | Report |
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GodOfPeace3
posted 23/12/2015, 12:27
If this doesn't sell well on PS4, then we can all agree that Microsoft killed this franchise. There will be so many games for PS4 next year, this game might be in a similar situation when it finally hits PS4. Plus a lot of people will still be salty about having to wait a year to play a game that is only popular on Playstation. Message | Report |
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GodOfPeace3
posted 23/12/2015, 11:05
Complete disaster, what a stupid idea this was for Microsoft to try. Everyone knows Xbox fans don't care about games like this. They want generic sports and FPS games and GTA. They only like multiplayer games too. Message | Report |
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OneKartVita
posted 22/12/2015, 02:51
Well yeah that's true. It's heavily overtracked in the EU. France for example it's sold half of what Vgchartz has. Hopefully they make the adjustments Message | Report |
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Roronaa_chan
posted 21/12/2015, 09:29
@OneKartVita no, the question is when is it going to hit 1M in real life instead of VGC. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 20/12/2015, 10:19
I didnt consider that. But I would guess first quarter of 2016. I'm not gonna pretend this exclusive was a success for MS. But its also not the disaster its perceived to be. Legs might surprise people in the long run. Message | Report |
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OneKartVita
posted 20/12/2015, 06:01
This won't have any problems hitting a million. Probably after Christmas. But the question is, how long will it take to become the top selling next gen tomb raider? Probably do that a few months into 2016. Any predictions? Message | Report |
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Rob5VGC
posted 19/12/2015, 08:58
Just Cause 3. Nuff said. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 19/12/2015, 05:38
Constructive criticism is fine. I think there is also a fine line between constructive criticism and bashing. Anyhow, this might be at 800K by the end of the holiday. Possible million seller with digital. Message | Report |
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Carl
posted 19/12/2015, 05:09
Just so you are all aware, these game walls are not free of moderation. Cut it out. Message | Report |
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FloatingWaffles
posted 19/12/2015, 04:45
@fireburn95 It's in the same thing if someone were to keep making negative comments about Playstation or any subject in general. People would probably assume after seeing enough negative comments that that person doesn't like said subject or topic. The fact that you are consistently in Xbox One comment sections and for the most part post negative things makes it seem more like you have bias against the Xbox One rather than Mr Puggly being an Xbox Fanboy that you said he/she was. Message | Report |
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FloatingWaffles
posted 19/12/2015, 04:42
@fireburn95 It's not like Mr Puggsly is wrong. You are probably the single person i've seen the most in any comment section related to Xbox One games on this site. I don't really see how you can call Mr Puggsly an Xbox fanboy when, if you at least take it from someone else's point of view, it seems as though you are targeting Xbox the most, and most of your comments seem to be negative. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 19/12/2015, 03:58
Go ahead then, show me where i've bashed or trashed xbox? And if you dare bring up constructive criticism... Basically stop @ing me okay? You're an asshole, and I said EU are more open to non-shooters than USA. I don't see how one could find a stat about USA's shooter habits in there unless they're looking for.... an argument... :O Go to some playstation wall and say 'bundled so sells well' cause we all know you love that! Message | Report |
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Spade
posted 19/12/2015, 03:16
What did people expect this game to sell on Xbox One as an exclusive launching in November? Like really?? It's going to continue to sell over Christmas, digital sales, etc. Probably going to pass a million by the end of January (my guess, I'm shit at sales predictions), but I mean come on people... Message | Report |
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GodOfPeace3
posted 19/12/2015, 12:49
wow what a flop Message | Report |
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darkenergy
posted 19/12/2015, 12:17
It seems he isn't the only one saying crap Mr Puggsly, I see other people saying crap as well like Diablos comment here and others in this site, it is the only was they can feel better about themselves. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 19/12/2015, 03:28
@fireburn - Oh boy, looks like I struck a nerve. So I'm an extreme Xbox fanboy? You should see the games I play. I think you'll see I'm a fan of Sony and Nintendo as well. I'm bias for MS exclusives because I feel they make or fund more enjoyable titles than the competitors. So I'm bias for MS games, but you on the other hand are a more extreme type of fanboy. I simply took a glance at your recent forum posts and you're always trashing Xbox. Its kinda sad and from what I can tell you only seem to care about Sony. You spew crap on a lot of Xbox walls and that makes you a target for responses. Your comment basically implied US consumers just want shooters, but looking at sales its just an ignorant comment. US consumers enjoy a variety of genres just like Europeans. Obviously you aren't gonna stay off Xbox walls, you love them too much. So I guess you and I will continue to run into each other. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 18/12/2015, 12:08
Crap? Seems like you search for crap, and have chosen me as a target. Why do I post on xbox walls, I'm interested in marketing, and it leaves nothing to comment on at ps4 games because they sell well. I said 'europe is USUUALLY more open to buying non shooters than usa' I didn't comment on how well shooters do, I didn't say anything but that, which from observation, is true and applies most of the time. So it seems like crap is more spewed from your gob at a rate far more than mine, I mean literally, and everyone here knows you're an extreme xbox fanboy, so I can sympathise with how you act Message | Report |
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Diablos
posted 17/12/2015, 07:46
Dam what a flop, seems many X1 games do so. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 17/12/2015, 04:35
@fireburn - We run into each a lot because i see you posting crap on Xbox walls regularly. Your comment was ignorant and I called you out on it. That's all, no big deal. Message | Report |
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fluky-nintendy
posted 17/12/2015, 03:17
The uk number is right as we know. As for the rest of Europe I have my doubts, but oh well. Message | Report |
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OneKartVita
posted 17/12/2015, 02:27
I'm sorry @darkneal I've commented on ps4 games when they're overtracked. For example black ops 3. I had a hunch it was overtracked and I said it. When NPD came in and it was adjusted I said it again. The thing is this is overtracked. The 360 version is included in those 200k sales so it did even less. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 17/12/2015, 11:27
Ahh can always rely on you replying to me Puggsly and coming up with some new insult... #defensive Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 15/12/2015, 06:03
@fireburn - A lot of games not shooters do better in the US than Europe. You're just spewing crap as usual. Shootere are also popular in Europe but people pretend shooters are just popular in the US for some reason. Message | Report |
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hentaihinata
posted 15/12/2015, 01:37
they should be proud about the exclusive deal. worth it. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 14/12/2015, 07:15
Europe is usually more open to buying 'non shooters' than usa. I know technically this is a shooter but ya know what i mean Message | Report |
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Colocho
posted 13/12/2015, 07:39
The only reason I may agree the game could b overtracked is because I find it hard to believe that the game sold about 20% higher in Europe thn in USA. Considering US is by far Xbox's biggest markt, the numbers seem off (just an opinion). This is a great game nevertheless. Crystal Dynamics has to b very proud with the quality of the game. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 13/12/2015, 05:34
Loool darkneal, i've noticed that too Message | Report |
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darkneal
posted 13/12/2015, 11:35
@H3ADShOt3 - he works by a simple logic. All Xbox games are overtracked, all Sony games are undertracked, haha. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 12/12/2015, 10:53
We know in november rottr sold about 200k in usa. It is at around 200k, so tracking seems fine to me Message | Report |
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H3ADShOt3
posted 12/12/2015, 10:44
@OneKartVita Why do you keep saying every game on the one is over tracked?? Where do you get this information?? Message | Report |
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H3ADShOt3
posted 12/12/2015, 10:44
@OneKartVita Why do you keep saying every game on the one is over tracked?? Where do you get this information?? Message | Report |
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OneKartVita
posted 12/12/2015, 07:28
Despite already low sales this is actually over tracked. Probably WW too. A bad business decision around. Message | Report |
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FloatingWaffles
posted 12/12/2015, 07:26
@TLC-Muzzer Lol, what is your comment even supposed to mean? Putting it at risk? Lol. Message | Report |
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TKC-Muzzer
posted 12/12/2015, 02:55
Well, gamers have spoken, let this be a lesson learnt for everyone involved. This title was never going to move consoles. Someone should be fired for this deal, to put a franchise and it's devs at risk for a quick buck will NOT sustain the industry. I feel sorry for the devs, as for Square Enix and Microsoft, only yourselves to blame. Keeping PS4 and PC gamers interested until release might just cost you that pretty penny you thought you'd gained. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 11/12/2015, 10:07
Got a good boost during Black Friday. I hope more people get this in December. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 11/12/2015, 05:14
@fireburn95 - Oh boy... the Square Enix thing not being happy about PS360/PC sales is exaggerated. That game still made a profit in a under a year. This game probably made a profit before launch because MS paid for it. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 11/12/2015, 02:20
Less than 200k in november in usa. Awful. Lol Square weren't happy with the ps3/xb360 sales of tr Message | Report |
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xboxonefan
posted 07/12/2015, 11:38
lol at the japan sales all they buy is monster hunter and yokai watch Message | Report |
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xboxonefan
posted 06/12/2015, 03:47
its about to outsell LEGO jurassic world Message | Report |
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Thatdude420
posted 06/12/2015, 08:36
wow this is a major flop better maybe the holidays can fix those numbers to atleast 1 mil even then its still bad. Message | Report |
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darkneal
posted 05/12/2015, 12:46
@Loy310 - i know right? I don't think gamers have realised yet just how tragic this situation is yet. Being English there should be national outrage for how microsoft have sold this ip! We'd never stand it for Bond, and Croft is to gaming what Bond is to movies imo. Message | Report |
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loy310
posted 04/12/2015, 08:03
Wow, and these are holiday sales. Hope BF sales bumped it up. At this rate i might have to pitty buy the game on PS4 just cause the devs deserve better. Even when it comes to PS4 in 2016i don't think it will sell enough to save CD. Message | Report |
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GameAnalyser
posted 04/12/2015, 07:28
Lol. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 29/11/2015, 09:11
Haha nice theory. A bit speculative but lol. Message | Report |
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tokilamockingbrd
posted 29/11/2015, 08:40
maybe MS never thought it would sell well. Maybe their whole plan was to kill an IP that traditionally has sold better on their competitors system. Mission Accomplished. Message | Report |
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DamonSalvatore
posted 28/11/2015, 05:17
Flop... Rise of Tomb Raider will do better on PS4 Message | Report |
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darkneal
posted 28/11/2015, 12:33
*puts head in hands* its so hard to support microsoft when they keep making atrocious decisions like this. Why on earth pay so much for a timed exclusive ip and release it when they did? Everybody told them it was sales suicide but they just went ahead anyway! Dont they give a shit? It certainly seems that way, this is TOMBRAIDER for gawds sake, not some 3rd class budget ip! They certainly put the advertising behind it, had a quality quality game to sell and they gave themselves no chance with its release day. Its embarressing. Deus Ex moved to early next year to avoid this happening, microsoft should've done the same with this. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 28/11/2015, 03:55
Well its pretty amazing MS landed an exclusive like this to begin with. Did Square Enix really need the money MS was offering? Oh boy, there was no risk of killing the franchise. Its a great game millions of people will play eventually. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 27/11/2015, 09:26
Well nothing on this scale. Games from third party devs they'll get, but i don't think any dev will risk potentially killing their franchise for how ever much microsoft is willing to pay up. Message | Report |
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Nem
posted 27/11/2015, 07:15
Wow... squeenix must be happy with the deal because this bombed on sales. Its obvious this wasnt a good thing for the franchise though. I hope it also doesnt mean that CD has to be locked into a TR3 to make up for it. I want a new Legacy of Kain. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 27/11/2015, 06:36
@fireburn95 - This is not going to be the last 3rd party exclusive MS gets. I guarantee it. Some succeed, some fail. Publishers get in bed with who is going to cover the cost of going exclusive. Also, the cost of a timed exclusive is obviously cheaper than permanent exclusive. I bet MS paid more for Titanfall but that sold a lot better. Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 27/11/2015, 06:06
obviously im not gonna comapre this with tr'13 xb1 launch. and @zach, some of these exclusive deals were probably signed before xbox's big launch disaster. I do agree though, this is probably going to be the last third party publisher exclusive for xb1 Message | Report |
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b00moscone
posted 27/11/2015, 05:17
@Fireburn95 I was talking specifically about the X1 versions, but yes, if i were talking about the two versions, then i agree. Message | Report |
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Zach808
posted 27/11/2015, 05:15
Well, I guess this whole timed exclusive idea went absolutely nowhere. People are still waiting for the other versions rather than getting the Xbone for it. What's the point of timed exclusives? Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 27/11/2015, 07:10
@tokilamockingbrd - No, it really depends on how much MS willing to pay. If MS is willing to take the financial risks then they will get exclusives. Also, the userbase is growing. However, this is a lesson on how exclusives should not be handled. Don't launch the same day as a more popular game. Hope this has good legs. Regardless of sales this is a great game. Message | Report |
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tokilamockingbrd
posted 27/11/2015, 06:16
will this be the last time the XB1 ever getting any major 3rd Party exclusives (timed or not)? Message | Report |
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fireburn95
posted 26/11/2015, 11:41
Ok well I forgot it was also for 360 but thats only 70k, so 300k week 1 vs 1 million wk1 seems pretty definitive Message | Report |
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hiccupthehuman
posted 21/11/2018, 02:48
Ok. Well if Square Enix was apparently not satisfied with the sales from the exclusivity association with MS, why did they partner again with MS for Shadow of the Tomb Raider marketing? Message | Report |
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hiccupthehuman
posted 23/09/2018, 02:51
@Replicant From where do you pull the info that he was fired? Cause from the Square Enix CEO Phil Rogers it's pretty clear he left on his own and was not fired. "I am sad to see him go but respect HIS decision and we should all celebrate the sheer blood, sweat and tears he has put into our company over the last 10 years!" Seems like you're making things up. Message | Report |
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Mr Puggsly
posted 26/06/2017, 08:54
@Replicant - He left to go work on Call of Duty. Message | Report |
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