Welcome to the VGChartz Trophy League! The charts and leaderboards are updated every Tuesday!

To Join:
The trophy league is for the members of VG Chartz. To join, you must a minimum post count of 50 and have been a member of the forums for more than two weeks.

1. Send me a PM with your PSN ID

2. Add vgchartz1 to your PSN friends list.

Your trophy infomation will be added to the chart in the next weekly update.

Ranking:
Trophy league members are ranked in the trophy chart based on the points system. Under the points system, each trophy type is worth a certain number of points. Each bronze trophy is worth 1pt, each silver is worth 2pts, each gold is worth 6pts, and each platinum is worth 12pts. These are the same values that PSN assigns each trophy when determining a player's gamer level, trophy progress in a game, and trophy cap per game.

Cheating
Cheating will not be tolerated in the trophy league. This includes trophy glitching and account sharing. If you are caught cheating, you will be removed from the league.

To report cheating: Please send me a PM to report instances of cheating. When accusing someone of cheating, please provide detailed proof of how that person is cheating. I will then look into the matter.

 

Weekly Update - November 17th, 2009

PS3 Trophy Leaderboard

Rank This Week	Rank Last Week	VGchartz Username	PSN ID	Level	Bronze	Silver	Gold	Plat	Total	Points
1	1	getrdone	getrdone25	17	1913	504	162	26	2605	4205
2	2	mattbfg	mattbfg	17	1707	450	161	28	2346	3909
3	3	HideoK	HideoK	17	1727	448	134	27	2336	3751
4	4	yl_ksa	yl_ksa	16	1773	394	134	21	2322	3617
5	5	AshleyAc	AshleyAc	16	1375	428	162	32	1997	3587
6	6	Yokimoto	Yokimoto	16	1309	414	134	26	1883	3171
7	7	Jboy0990	jboy0990	15	1279	346	118	19	1762	2871
8	8	ail	Aildiin	15	1219	305	103	24	1651	2735
9	9	Dark Odin	lebeau	14	1087	337	98	24	1546	2637
10	12	KylieDog	KylieDog	14	1136	294	105	23	1558	2630
11	10	HanzoTheRazor	HanzoTheRazor	14	1093	308	105	24	1530	2627
12	11	rukusa	HighLuxury	14	1132	265	103	24	1524	2568
13	13	geddesmond2	geddesmond2	14	1184	292	88	19	1583	2524
14	14	MasterVG71782	Akimitsu782	14	869	280	117	25	1291	2431
15	15	Xenostar	Xenostar	14	1221	271	62	7	1561	2219
16	16	marciosmg	marciosmg	14	1061	239	73	19	1392	2205
17	17	woj	woj912	13	1022	236	76	15	1349	2130
18	18	Solid_Raiden	SOLID_RAIDEN	13	1087	212	68	15	1382	2099
19	19	betsfro	Betsfrox	13	1143	223	60	10	1436	2069
20	20	KoRnster	KoRnster	13	1040	218	68	10	1336	2004
21	21	docholliday	docholliday03	13	810	212	80	18	1120	1930
22	22	Lil_D420	PANEK_KLS	13	1034	201	67	7	1309	1922
23	23	bobo012893	bobo012893	13	833	219	76	11	1139	1859
24	26	DuNnDuNn90	DuNnDuNn90	13	754	267	76	13	1110	1818
25	25	sirvice	SirVice	13	742	227	69	16	1054	1802
26	24	fadetoone	FadeToOne	13	789	209	59	17	1074	1765
27	27	XxNighthawk22xxX	XxNighthawk22xX	13	848	183	61	13	1105	1736
28	28	Draven26	draven26	13	879	164	61	11	1115	1705
29	29	bbsin	bbsin	13	756	186	66	12	1020	1668
30	30	bigusdickus	Executioner0	13	680	184	70	13	947	1624
31	31	goodfella	kassanowa07	12	745	171	54	10	980	1531
32	32	player1	hilario82	12	785	131	54	9	979	1479
33	35	Tbone	DPatriot	12	670	154	54	14	892	1470
34	33	Cleaner475	cleaner475	12	858	165	38	3	1064	1452
35	34	*~Onna76~*	Onna76_NL	12	665	182	48	9	904	1425
36	36	Gippon	Gippon	12	730	159	47	5	941	1390
37	37	rasone77	rasone77	12	692	155	44	7	898	1350
38	38	Mark51501000	Mark51501000	12	656	157	44	8	865	1330
39	39	Trent	BlazeStorm6	12	786	115	39	5	945	1310
40	40	Lost_Soul	Shorty_NE	12	503	146	52	12	713	1251
41	41	papero2	Vic_haste	12	637	126	40	10	813	1249
42	42	Steverhcp02	SteveRHCP02	12	593	124	44	10	771	1225
43	44	Epke	epke	12	656	123	43	5	827	1220
44	43	Rickz0r	rickz0r	12	629	142	39	6	816	1219
45	54	jake_the_fake1	Destroyerz_knite	12	506	156	48	9	719	1214
46	46	Avarice28	Avarice1	12	550	141	54	4	749	1204
47	45	kber81	kber81	12	683	121	31	7	842	1195
48	47	EvilChronos	EvilChronos	12	628	133	35	6	802	1176
49	48	TyePhoid_Pal	TyePhoid_PAL	12	620	123	37	3	783	1124
50	49	radiantshadow92	radiantshadow92	12	587	101	40	7	735	1113
51	52	Yusuke93_ita	yusuke93_ita	12	673	99	37	1	810	1105
52	53	grimygunz	GrimyGunZ	12	670	124	27	2	823	1104
53	50	AFFLICTION	pwnU17	12	517	121	38	9	685	1095
54	51	brainboxltd	BrainBoxLtd	12	488	98	44	12	642	1092
55	55	jordanblack68	JordanBlack68	12	633	133	26	3	795	1091
56	57	Thwip	Thwip	12	511	139	39	5	694	1083
57	56	Branko2166	squall-23	12	509	118	41	7	675	1075
58	61	BladeOfGod	Player1x3	12	544	104	37	8	693	1070
59	63	gurglesletch	gurglesletch	11	529	106	45	4	684	1059
60	60	scabab	scabab	11	547	122	32	6	707	1055
61	59	Vonmercury	vonmercury	11	500	111	40	7	658	1046
62	58	finalsquall	Finalsquall	11	584	110	27	6	727	1038
63	62	munkeh111	Munkeh111	11	508	125	35	5	673	1028
64	65	hanafuda	hanafuda	11	600	105	29	3	737	1020
65	66	XiaoMay	XiaoMayi	11	495	124	29	7	655	1001
66	64	ziquisira	ziquisira	11	555	114	28	4	701	999
67	67	DoomXploder7	DoomXploder7	11	512	116	29	5	662	978
68	70	Arcturus	CityWokk	11	532	115	22	6	675	966
69	68	mtlca66	Freggz	11	471	104	36	5	616	955
70	69	fireburden5	JakeC24	10	428	117	33	6	584	932
71	74	wenlan	WoLoCo	10	419	97	40	4	560	901
72	73	Chefsean	Chefsean2006	10	577	87	21	2	687	901
73	76	RukiSama	RukiSama	10	565	103	19	1	688	897
74	71	stovo	Stovo	10	457	105	31	3	596	889
75	72	D_Boy	dboy_89	10	459	100	24	7	590	887
76	79	omi2041c	omi2041	10	460	115	23	4	602	876
77	75	ultraslick	UltraslicK	10	538	91	18	4	651	876
78	80	ROBOTECHHEAVEN	RAPTUREOFHEAVEN	10	524	93	20	2	639	854
79	77	KBG29	KBG29	10	506	98	20	2	626	846
80	78	yakuzaIce	YakuzaIce	10	410	98	28	5	541	834
81	84	Rainbird	Rainbird01	10	496	89	20	3	608	830
82	81	Reasonable	eddxuk	10	493	97	20	1	611	819
83	82	naraku2099	Immortal_Inu	10	502	89	18	2	611	812
84	85	almcchesney	almcchesney	10	578	85	10	0	673	808
85	83	Ajescent	Ajescent	9	435	92	21	4	552	793
86	86	perpride	Darth-Cidius	9	480	80	19	3	582	790
87	88	Dgc1808	Detsuki-G	9	443	79	17	6	545	775
88	87	Blood_Tears	Cold_Stare	9	456	78	20	3	557	768
89	89	thelastsoldier	SoldierofVirtue	9	419	77	19	4	519	735
90	90	gamelover2000	Frag-bart	9	393	69	23	4	489	717
91	93	Lumbo	Lumbo	9	441	71	19	1	532	709
92	92	chenguo4	chenguo4	9	303	60	29	8	400	693
93	94	dddddddddd123	Angry-Irishman	9	390	79	17	2	488	674
94	91	phinch1	phinch	9	410	72	18	1	501	674
95	95	KingEidilleg	KingEidilleg	8	334	70	22	4	430	654
96	101	SnakeEyez	SnakeEyez	8	360	78	15	3	456	642
97	97	ruimartiniman	danceintothefire	8	375	55	24	1	455	641
98	98	non-gravity	non-gravity	8	384	59	17	3	463	640
99	96	Joka_	JOKA_THE_SMOKA	8	331	52	24	4	411	627
100	102	Lafiel	Lafiel	8	305	80	19	4	408	627
101	103	FootballFan	oliminator1994	8	369	65	15	3	452	625
102	100	MikeB	anonymous	8	383	66	16	1	466	623
103	99	damstr8	Snyperdizzle	8	389	72	13	1	475	623
104	109	Wonktonodi	WonkTonodi1	8	309	76	18	4	407	617
105	108	Soul-tech10	Soul_tech10	8	358	63	15	3	439	610
106	104	Flow	Flow-C	8	306	69	20	3	398	600
107	105	Max King of the Wild	Phillip_Cat	8	256	71	24	4	355	590
108	106	Tailgunner	Railgunner	8	370	64	11	2	447	588
109	107	blazinhead89	blazinhead89	8	401	55	12	0	468	583
110	111	Sicilian.	Sicilian	8	307	64	17	2	390	561
111	110	yog-sothot	yog-sothot	8	316	68	11	3	398	554
112	113	Finnbar	Gonff	8	340	47	18	1	406	554
113	120	Papazx	PapaZX	8	300	72	15	1	388	546
114	114	redcoat222	Wellington86	8	311	47	17	3	378	543
115	112	Kantor	LordElite	7	342	52	10	2	406	530
116	116	placidcasual	placidcasual	7	335	54	13	0	402	521
117	117	DMeisterJ	DMeisterJ	7	287	47	16	3	353	513
118	115	raiin	RyansInc	7	308	52	16	0	376	508
119	118	axumblade	Axumblade	7	324	54	12	0	390	504
120	127	J0hnyBravoos	Garej	7	307	58	11	1	377	501
121	119	Elite1	Eliit1	7	249	55	17	3	324	497
122	131	gera4390	gera4390	7	288	44	14	3	349	496
123	121	Garamond	Garamond1886	7	278	53	12	3	346	492
124	122	musashibra	MusashiBRA	7	343	53	7	0	403	491
125	124	Aprisaiden	Aprisaiden	7	341	43	8	1	393	487
126	125	K-DOGG	LONGRIM	7	281	65	10	0	356	471
127	126	Q_A_X	Q_A_X	7	247	50	15	2	314	461
128	128	Acevil	Acevil	7	294	46	7	2	349	452
129	134	DragonLord	Sorrow880	7	264	66	7	1	338	450
130	129	Stefl1504	Stefl1504	7	311	45	8	0	364	449
131	130	staude	Staude	7	291	50	9	0	350	445
132	133	Bonafide732	Saito__	7	273	49	10	1	333	443
133	132	alicemudgarden	alicemudgarden	7	300	47	6	1	354	442
134	137	Seraphic_Sixaxis	Xacristavas	7	282	41	8	2	333	436
135	135	sergiodaly	SergioDaly	7	242	44	10	2	298	414
136	136	ssj12	Schnacky	7	241	50	11	0	302	407
137	148	retroking1981	retroking1981	6	254	51	7	0	312	398
138	146	NicholasCage	ASLplease	6	250	39	11	0	300	394
139	138	Muff3210	Kladivoun	6	238	48	7	1	294	388
140	140	SamuelRS	SamuelRS	6	256	42	8	0	306	388
141	141	GLITCHER67	glitcher67	6	198	49	13	1	261	386
142	142	insomniac17	aceninja007	6	216	43	9	2	270	380
143	139	321tttrini4everz	tttrinidad	6	210	33	13	2	258	378
144	149	VaNdErMeEr913	VaNdErMeEr913	6	238	55	5	0	298	378
145	145	xstonexcold316x	SP3NCE1325	6	248	43	6	0	297	370
146	144	MetalGearSolid_4ever	Malithpwnsu	6	188	35	12	3	238	366
147	147	cool48	cool48	6	221	39	8	1	269	359
148	150	mamboula	mamboula	6	242	34	8	0	284	358
149	152	IAmDen22	CCVP18	6	232	36	6	0	274	340
150	155	postofficebuddy	postofficebuddy	6	179	43	8	2	232	337
151	151	Outlawauron	leafy_bug	6	235	30	7	0	272	337
152	157	Gab	gabeish	6	197	41	7	0	245	321
153	158	agardini51	gardini51	6	208	49	2	0	259	318
154	153	Simulacrum	Criminal916	6	210	32	7	0	249	316
155	163	Griffin	Warlord_	6	200	29	8	0	237	306
156	161	kicks1989	kicks1989	6	211	20	8	0	239	299
157	154	sennaho	sennaho	6	230	22	4	0	256	298
158	156	Daddo Splat	daddosplat	6	172	28	7	2	209	294
159	162	SlumsOfOhio	badgerfan20945	6	178	33	8	0	219	292
160	159	Yoppado	YoppaDo	6	151	28	10	1	190	279
161	160	nordlead	nord_lead	6	173	25	9	0	207	277
162	165	DaSimKin	TheSimkin	6	169	34	6	0	209	273
163	164	makingmusic476	makingmusic	5	182	25	5	0	212	262
164	167	sunil247	sunil247	5	138	31	6	2	177	260
165	169	Son1x	Son1x-	5	153	28	6	1	188	257
166	166	Aldro	Aldro	5	140	32	8	0	180	252
167	168	deathgod33	deathgod33	5	157	29	6	0	192	251
168	170	jo21	joseph_21	5	160	24	6	0	190	244
169	171	Joeykanga	Joeykanga	5	141	24	9	0	174	243
170	172	Kowenicki	kowenicki	5	154	25	3	0	182	222
171	173	ocnkng	ocnkng	5	117	25	6	1	149	215
172	180	The Fury	Antergaton	5	127	26	6	0	159	215
173	174	TheCompletist	carnUcrows	5	176	13	1	0	190	208
174	175	yungmagic09	Yung-Magic	5	107	29	4	1	141	201
175	176	dsgrue3	dsgrue3	5	126	21	3	1	151	198
176	177	hawks511	hawks511	5	113	20	7	0	140	195
177	178	starbruin	starbruin	5	101	32	5	0	138	195
178	-	daiyumn	daiyumn316	5	108	19	8	0	135	194
179	179	chapset	killa-c-	5	137	15	3	0	155	185
180	182	yubitme	yubitme	5	132	15	2	0	149	174
181	181	Pristine20	pristine20	5	129	13	3	0	145	173
182	183	MaxwellGT2000	maxwellgt2000	5	117	20	1	0	138	163
183	185	binary solo	binary_solo69	4	82	18	4	1	105	154
184	184	bmaker11	BoilerMaker11	4	103	21	0	0	124	145
185	186	windbane	Windbane	4	72	19	5	0	96	140
186	189	Xiru	Xiru	4	84	5	3	0	92	112
187	187	psrock	psrock1	4	81	7	2	0	90	107
188	188	machina-ax	NIN22	4	87	7	1	0	95	107
189	190	Klucifer	KLucifer	4	70	8	2	0	80	98
190	191	PDF	PrincePale	4	66	10	1	0	77	92
191	192	kasillas88	Al_Kickurass	4	63	11	1	0	75	91
192	193	Christopher_G2	Chris_Mofo	3	70	4	0	0	74	78
193	194	puertoecuanama	puertoecuanama	3	38	10	3	0	51	76
194	195	madkiller	Alazam79	3	49	6	2	0	57	73
195	196	NeoRatt	NeoRatt	3	47	8	1	0	56	69
196	197	PS360ForTheWin	SciFiBoy	3	43	6	0	0	49	55
197	198	MrBubbles	RedMessiah	3	31	2	1	0	34	41
198	199	xbox360	matrixvibe	2	28	2	0	0	30	32
199	200	MontanaHatchet	Montisia	2	19	2	0	0	21	23

Platinum Leaderboard

VGchartz Username	PSN ID	Platinum Count	Platinum Points	AVG Plat Difficulty
ail	Aildiin	24	56	2.33
AshleyAc	AshleyAc	32	54	1.69
mattbfg	mattbfg	28	51	1.82
HanzoTheRazor	HanzoTheRazor	24	51	2.13
KylieDog	KylieDog	23	50	2.17
HideoK	HideoK	27	49	1.81
Dark Odin	lebeau	24	49	2.04
getrdone	getrdone25	26	46	1.77
MasterVG71782	Akimitsu782	25	46	1.84
rukusa	HighLuxury	24	45	1.88
Yokimoto	Yokimoto	26	42	1.62
geddesmond2	geddesmond2	19	41	2.16
fadetoone	FadeToOne	17	39	2.29
marciosmg	marciosmg	19	35	1.84
yl_ksa	yl_ksa	21	34	1.62
Jboy0990	jboy0990	19	32	1.68
Solid_Raiden	SOLID_RAIDEN	15	31	2.07
Tbone	DPatriot	14	30	2.14
docholliday	docholliday03	18	28	1.56
woj	woj912	15	27	1.80

Busiest Members This Past Week

VGchartz Username	PSN ID	Points This Week	Points Last Week	Increase
getrdone	getrdone25	4205	4016	189
jake_the_fake1	Destroyerz_knite	1214	1083	131
Yokimoto	Yokimoto	3171	3041	130
AshleyAc	AshleyAc	3587	3474	113
geddesmond2	geddesmond2	2524	2426	98
KylieDog	KylieDog	2630	2535	95
MasterVG71782	Akimitsu782	2431	2349	82
DuNnDuNn90	DuNnDuNn90	1818	1739	79
mattbfg	mattbfg	3909	3833	76
Tbone	DPatriot	1470	1405	65

Platinum Trophies Earned This Past Week

MasterVG71782	Tornado Outbreak
MasterVG71782	Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time
Trent	LittleBigPlanet
Chefsean	Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time
chenguo4	GTA IV
Arcturus	Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
jake_the_fake1	Tomb Raider: Underworld
Dgc1808	Killzone 2
Tbone	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
DuNnDuNn90	Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs
Epke	Borderlands
bigusdickus	Midnight Club: Los Angeles
geddesmond2	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
gera4390	Resident Evil 5
getrdone	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
getrdone	Saw
player1	WWE Legends of WrestleMania
marciosmg	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
postofficebuddy	Brutal Legend
sirvice	Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time
Soul-tech10	Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Branko2166	Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Wonktonodi	Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time
Yokimoto	Madagascar Kartz
Yokimoto	Hasbro Family Game Night

Platinum Lists

Title	# Earned	Difficulty
Alone in the Dark	23	*
Aquanaut's Holiday	3	**
Ashes Cricket 2009	2	*
Batman: Arkham Asylum	11	***
Bionic Commando	4	***
Bioshock	25	***
Blazblue	3	**
Borderlands	3	**
Brutal Legend	1	***
Burnout Paradise	51	*
Buzz!: Quiz TV	15	*
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2	4	***
Call of Duty: World at War	29	***
Call of Juarez: Bound of Blood	3	***
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs	2	*
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3	1	***
Cross Edge	1	****
Damnation	5	**
Dead Space	40	**
Demon's Souls	5	****
Disgaea 3	2	****
Dynasty Warriors 6 Empires	6	*
Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 2	2	***
Eat Lead	10	**
EyePet	1	**
Fallout 3	38	**
Ferrari Challenge	4	***
FIFA 09	4	**
G.I. JOE	1	**
G-Force	1	**
GTA IV	1	****
Guitar Hero 5	1	***
Hannah Montana The Movie	5	*
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince	4	**
Hasbro Family Game Night	1	*
Ice Age 3	4	*
inFamous	57	**
Katamari Forever	1	***
Killzone 2	15	****
Leisure Suit Larry Box Office Bust	2	**
LittleBigPlanet	29	***
Madagascar Kartz	1	*
Madden NFL 10	4	**
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2	3	**
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames	3	**
Midnight Club: Los Angeles	2	***
MiNi NiNJAS	2	*
Mirror's Edge	13	****
MLB 09 The Show	1	****
Monsters vs. Aliens	6	**
Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe	2	****
MotorStorm: Pacific Rift	3	****
NBA 09 The Inside	2	***
NCAA Football 10	0	*
Need for Speed SHIFT	2	**
Need for Speed Undercover	6	**
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising	1	***
Overlord 2	1	**
Prince of Persia	42	*
Prototype	2	****
Pure	7	**
Quantum of Solace	12	**
Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time	6	**
Red Faction: Guerrilla	1	****
Resident Evil 5	34	**
Resistance 2	10	***
Rock Band 2	2	****
Sacred 2 - Fallen Angel	1	****
Saw	2	*
Shaun White Snowboarding	2	**
Skate 2	2	**
Ski-doo Snowmobile Challenge	3	*
Sonic Unleashed	1	****
Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection	39	*
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed	6	**
Tekken 6	3	**
Terminator Salvation	39	*
The Eye of Judgment	3	***
The Godfather II	21	*
The King of Fighters XII	1	**
The Lord of the Rings: Conquest	14	**
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10	1	***
Tomb Raider: Underworld	21	*
Tornado Outbreak	1	***
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen	1	**
Trine	12	**
Trivial Pursuit	8	*
UFC 2009 Undisputed	1	***
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves	43	**
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune	96	**
Unreal Tournament 3	2	***
Up	6	*
Wanted	14	*
WET	1	***
Wheelman	2	***
WipEout HD	2	*****
WWE Legends of WrestleMania	18	*
WWE SmackDown vs. RAW 2010	1	**
X-Blades	8	**
X-Men Origins: Wolverine	15	**

Other 5-Star Platinums
Warhawk
Street Fighter 4
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2

Stats
# of Titles	100
Total Platinums Earned	978
Most Platinums Earned
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune	96
inFamous	57
Burnout Paradise	51
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves	43
Prince of Persia	42

 

Please feel free to post any questions, comments, or suggestions.

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Sales Prediction - End of Year 2009:

Wii: 72M
360: 37M
PS3: 29M

(Prediction made Jan 9th, 2009)

Yeah for the new thread! I'm glad that you're in charge now since you put so much effort into the previous thread.

 

EDIT: Oh, and first.

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Neato, next week will be fun.

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Thanks for doing it, Arcturus. Great job!

Two more games should be included in the "Current Games That Support Trophies" list:
Ferrari Challenge
Mainichi Issyo

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It (PS3's market share) might hit 30%, but definently not more. ~ Neo

Flaming (Calling another user (any user) a fanboy is flaming.) ~ Machina-AX

So Bronze = 1

Silver = 2

gold = 6

Platinum = 12?

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PS3 Trophies

Uncharted is the only game I have that support trophies.

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11/20/09 04:25

makingmusic476

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Yes DmeisterJ, that's the standard value that was computed based on what trophies retails and PSN games have.


I'm going to drop down the ranking with this update and Burnout will make it even worse :((
Hopefully I will be back in top 5 in 3-4 weeks though..

PS : Stupid Ferrarri challenge trophies are not out in the US :((((

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PS3-Xbox360 gap : 7.5 millions and going down !

Burnout and Wipeout will get it on thursday.

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Is this still just based on points and not work?

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^Everything is the same as it was. And we are not changing it so stop asking.

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